[Entmib] DRAFT Entity MIB Minutes for IETF 58
Margaret.Wasserman@nokia.com Sun, 07 December 2003 17:00 UTC
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Hi All, I have attached the draft minutes from our meeting at IETF 58. Please let me know if you notice any mistakes or omissions. The minutes include action items for several of us. Please follow up on your action items, or let me know if you will not be able to do so. I would also like to confirm the consensus that we reached within the room on the following points: - We will deprecate the Alias Mapping Table so that the Entity MIB can advance to Draft Standard. - Future extensions to the Entity MIB should be handled as separate MIBs that augment the Entity MIB. - The Entity State MIB is currently too complex and should be simplified. If any of you have thoughts that you'd like to share regarding the above items, please feel free to discuss them on the list. Thanks, Margaret --- Entity MIB WG [entmib] Minutes Wednesday, November 12, 2003 IETF 58, Minneapolis, MN, USA ============================= CHAIR: Margaret Wasserman <margaret.wasserman@nokia.com> AGENDA: Entity MIB -- Andy Bierman (15 min) - Status of move to Draft Standard - How to handle future extensions? Entity State MIB -- David Perkins? (15 min) - Status and Open Issues TCIF Proposal -- Margaret for Kaj Tesink (10 min) - Discussion of potential new work SUMMARY: The Entity MIB is nearly ready for advancement to Draft Standard, but we do not have two implementations of the Alias Mapping Table. A decision was made to deprecate the Alias Mapping Table and advance the Entity MIB to DS. We also discussed how to handle future extensions to the Entity MIB and concluded that they should be handled as separate MIBs that augment the Entity MIB. The Entity State MIB was not updated between the Vienna and Minneapolis meetings, and status was unclear as the editor was not present. There did seem to be interest in the room to continue this work. We also had consensus within the room that the current MIB is too complex and should be simplified. However, Margaret and Bert agreed that we would remove this MIB from the Entity MIB charter if no progress is exhibited before the end of December. There was interest in the room regarding the TCIF proposal and some constructive suggestions were made to improve it. Margaret will ask Kaj Tesink to publish the proposal as an I-D. However, this group will not be permitted to take on a new work item unless/until it shows progress on the work items it already has (see above). ACTION ITEMS: Margaret Publish meeting minutes Andy Update Entity MIB to deprecate Alias Mapping Table Margaret Talk to Sharon about status of Entity State MIB Sharon Update Entity State MIB by end of December? (not present) Dave P. Send suggestion to list for generalized TCIF objects Margaret Ask Kaj Tesink to submit individual I-D for TCIF Margaret/Bert Determine status of Entity State MIB at end of December DISCUSSION NOTES: Entity MIB ========== Alias Mapping Table - not enough implementations reported. Do we deprecate now or wait for more reports? RFC2737 has been out for years, and it has been implemented, but we don't have reports. Will deprecate - Bert can add dire warning to IETF last call. Extensions should be done through AUGMENTS, etc. so the base document can advance. Entity State MIB ================ Status unknown. No new data about open issues. Discussion that this is a complex mib that is costly to implement. Do we have consensus on what we want contained in this mib? This started out adding one column and balooned. DanR - this got more complex than originally wanted it to be. It is not remaining true to the ITU standard. This was just supposed to be a uniform place to be to determine whether the LED should be red, yellow, or green. The Entity mib only gives you inventory; this was supposed to give you basic health of the device. Does anybody argue that we need the level of complexity that is in this mib? Sense of the room is that the MIB should be simplified, but key players are not represented. Take it to the list whether to eliminate, simplify, or complete this mib. The editing has not been as timely as needed. Margaret to check with Sharon about whether she still wants to edit thid document. Bert, Margaret - if we don't have an updated document with known issue resolutions documented by the end of December then the document may be removed from the charter. TCIF Proposal ============= TCIF proposal for new objects for T1M1.3 and other standards. Two needed objects, sparse augmentation, read-write so data can be plugged in after the manufacture. Sense of the room is to have a supplemental mib rather than modifying base document. Agreed it would be good to standardize mfr date. Discussion of CLIE code. CLIE code costs money, so object should be optional. Recommendation to add two columns - one to identify industry segment code type and the code. Entity MIB already tells you what it is, so is this duplication? The telco segment uses CLIE codes, Sense of the room - make a type/pair for this. Dave Perkins will send a couple objects to the list for consideration. Still under consideration whether this work should be undertaken by the ENTMIB WG (not in current charter). Will ask for individual submissions; Margaret will wordsmith the request to keep it properly constrained while allowing room for additional proposed objects. Bert - I don't like talking about new proposals when the existing proposals are not being completed. Margaret: Kaj can submit an individual draft, and if the Entmib finishes its work, then it may consider adopting. _______________________________________________ Entmib mailing list Entmib@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/entmib
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