[Enum] FINAL: ENUM WG Minutes IETF 58 Minneapolis
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IETF 58 Minneapolis Telephone Number Mapping (ENUM) WG Meeting TUESDAY, November 11, 2003 Break 1300-1400 Afternoon Sessions I TSV enum Telephone Number Mapping WG Chair(s): Patrik Faltstrom <paf@cisco.com> Richard Shockey <rich.shockey@neustar.biz> Transport Area Advisor: Allison Mankin <mankin@psg.com> Mailing Lists: General Discussion:enum@ietf.org To Subscribe: enum-request@ietf.org In Body: subscribe Archive: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/enum/ Minutes taken by Scott Hollenbeck [shollenbeck@verisign.com] - Agenda description by Rich Shockey Status of 2916bis (Michael Mealling): comments about typos and clarifications not yet in, will send in as soon as possible after the embargo is over. Nothing substantive in the IESG comments. 1. Applicability Statement of CRISP work to ENUM - 15 Min Title : IRIS - An ENUM Registry (ereg) Type for the Internet Registry Information Service Author(s) : A. Newton Filename : draft-newton-iris-ereg-01.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2003-10-24 This document describes an IRIS (draft-ietf-crisp-iris-core-02.txt ) registry schema for ENUM administrative information. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-newton-iris-ereg-01.txt IRIS for ENUM presentation (Andrew Newton) CRISP WG update provided; moving forward with IRIS Applicability (why, who, what): look at use cases Why: Is a whois service needed for ENUM? Who: Who will resolve ENUM problems? Who do you contact? What: What can go wrong? What will be done about abuse? Andy's proposal: specifies a vector for coordination. Is one part of a possible answer. Attempts to be policy neutral. Applicability: public facing, features for privacy, structured. Questions/comments: Lawrence Conroy: Need DNS provider or something else. May be a tie to the provisioning system. Andy: not intended to be tightly coupled. Publish zone authority information? Rich Shockey: just as applicable for ENUM as DNS. Is there a right to find zone authority information: Rich: how implemented is a national matter. Willy Wertmueller: Why can't we align both ENUM and DNS? Andy: that's a policy decision. Suggestion: spell it out in the draft. 2. Potential Informational Document 15 min Title : Numbering for VoIP and other IP Communications > Author(s) : R. Stastny > Filename : draft-stastny-enum-numbering-voip-00.txt > Pages : 43 > Date : 2003-10-20 > >This document gives advice in setting up E.164 compatible numbering >and dialing plans in administrative domains set up for IP >Communications in general and VoIP applications in detail. After >explaining numbering and dialing plans in principle, it discusses >which types of E.164 numbers should be used for IP based terminals, >to achieve proper routing of calls and other communications on the >PSTN/ISDN and also on the Internet, using ENUM technology. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-stastny-enum-numbering-voip-00.txt Description of draft... SIP-based communications use their own naming and addressing schemes. Different communities started to use numeric user IDs. Problem: how to dial other communities or the PSTN. Quick and dirty solutions are possible, but not feasible. Other solutions have been proposed, including standard prefixes, new numbering and dialing plan for IP, use existing E.164 resource. The E.164 proposal is the one described. ENUM Trial lessons learned: basic issues solved, original business model has problems. Metcalfe's Law applies. New approaches needed (some described). Questions/comments: Jon Peterson: Is this an IETF draft? Richard Shockey: maybe informational eventually. Jon: security requirements? Richard: not really, but open to input from others. ENUM Implementation Issues (Lawrence Conroy) Problem Statement : "This summarizes our experiences of what's "out there" in ENUM, and some implementation choices that need to be made. It is intended as a guide to what we found when querying different ENUM domains (and what we misunderstood at first reading of the standards). Note that this covers implementation issues only, NOT protocol issues. However, if different implementations share common choices, then behavior can be better predicted". NOT PROTOCOL ISSUES, but no document is completely unambiguous. Described things seen in practice. You will hit these, and you will find some strange things. Proposal: keep a "living" document to capture issues and sensible ways of dealing with them. Described issues: case sensitivity, E2U at which end? Jon Peterson: should shame people using old 2916 ENUM records! Michael Mealling: being liberal in what you accept doesn't mean accept broken stuff. More issues: non-finals with or without empty service field? Michael: Not very many cases in ENUM. Does Order "count" across domains? Non-final loop treatment Michael: can detect loop. Lawrence: yes, but there are choices. Non-final loop detection Treatment of NAPTRs with identical preferences L2R or R2L processing of service field Richard Shockey: are you planning on writing these up as a draft? Lawrence: yes. ENUM Trial updates: Poland (Andrzej Bartosiewicz) NASK is the admin and tech contact for 8.4.e164.arpa. Follows national regulator's guidelines and expectations. This is first trial attempt. Present registration policy is based on administrative decisions. Operators not involved on the technical side -- not interested? Some operators involved in defining administrative stuff. Internet-Draft available Poland - Use of EPP in provisioning. 10+ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bartosiewicz-enum-48tld-00.txt No direct registrations -- only via telecom operators. Registrar (operator) MUST NOT register numbers administered by other operators. Some EPP modifications are used. Questions: Lawrence Conroy: do you have any delegations published? Can I look at NAPTRs? Andrzej: yes. Lawrence: can I see some? Andrzej: info is on the RIPE web site. Korean ENUM Trial Update (Jeonghyun Lee) ENUM Service Council exists (MIC, Telcos, KRNIC); sets goals Launched 13 October 2003, API available, www.enum.or.kr Status: about 2,000 registrations as of 5 November 2003 Both land-line and mobile numbers can be registered Next steps: trials through end of 2004; commercial in 2005. Planning to submit I-Ds to IETF. Questions: (none) Rich Shockey: out of time, but we need to discuss next steps. Allison Mankin: need to talk about planned documents. Rich: also security and privacy. Allison: OK for WG to exist as mailing list only. Rich: is this OK with the group? Patrik: is it OK to request short slots like this one? Rich There are also issues involving ongoing Liaison with ITU SG2 that may require the WG to stay open but dormant. Allison: it's reasonable to do this. The more we hear about issues the better. Patrik/Richard: Any final issues? (None raised). End of meeting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 <mailto:richard(at)shockey.us> or <mailto:richard.shockey(at)neustar.biz> <http://www.neustar.biz> ; <http://www.enum.org> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum
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