[Fecframe] Managing losses between the sending application and the FECFRAME instance
Vincent Roca <vincent.roca@inrialpes.fr> Fri, 11 February 2011 10:13 UTC
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Subject: [Fecframe] Managing losses between the sending application and the FECFRAME instance
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And this is point 2: Managing losses between the sending application and the FECFRAME instance --------------------------------------------- It is often implicitly assumed in FEC Schemes that there is no loss between the sending application and the FECFRAME Instance that performs FEC encoding. That's reasonable (we apply FECFRAME on lossy channels) but we should not design solutions that break if ever this happens, no matter the reason. (NB: this may be caused by having FECFRAME on a middlebox whereas the application flow is generated on a remote server. Or perhaps because of strange (bad?) FECFRAME implementations that may loose ADUs, e.g. in case the machine is frozen during a few seconds, or for any other reason, bugs included.) All FEC Schemes that make use of an Explicit Source FEC Payload ID (be it Generic or not ;-)) are safe, since they define their own sequential numbering space. However this is not the case for FEC Schemes that reuse (for instance) the RTP sequence number. In that case, an erasure between the application (therefore RTP) and the FECFRAME Instance creates a gap in the RTP sequence number space that needs to be signaled somehow to the receiver. The simplest way of addressing this situation consists in saying that source block creation needs to consider this possibility and start a new block if ever this happens. Since all the existing FEC Repair Payload IDs for FEC schemes that rely on RTP sequence numbers, signal to the receiver in the FEC Repair Payload ID: - the base RTP SN of the block and - the source block length, that's sufficient. A consequence is that the block size can vary if there are erasures on this path, and this phenomenon is not under control. As an extreme case: ...<pkt SN=6> LOST <pkt SN=8> LOST <pkt SN=10>... -------------------------------------------> time There's a block that is composed of a single packet (SN=8). That's bad but the FEC Scheme does not break. And of course this situation is the sign that something should be re-considered in the design. So this is an easy fix to the problem, that does not require major changes to current I-D. This discussion is already included in our new O&M proposal, section 10.2, "Within End-Systems vs. within Middleboxes". Opinions? Cheers, Vincent and Ali
- [Fecframe] Managing losses between the sending ap… Vincent Roca
- Re: [Fecframe] Managing losses between the sendin… Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [Fecframe] Managing losses between the sendin… Luby, Michael
- Re: [Fecframe] Managing losses between the sendin… Ali C. Begen (abegen)
- Re: [Fecframe] Managing losses between the sendin… Stephen Botzko
- Re: [Fecframe] Managing losses between the sendin… Luby, Michael