Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9
"Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva@cisco.com> Mon, 10 March 2008 20:20 UTC
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Cc: Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org>, fecframe@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9
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Thanks for expanding it, Marshall. The cited problem is one of the reasons why section 4.1.1 of the draft-asati-fecframe-config-signaling-00 includes simpler interval definition so as to avoid having SAP to calculate the interval in an adaptive manner. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4.1.1. Sender Procedure .... The sender must periodically send the 'SAP announcement' message. This is required so that the receiver doesn't purge the cached entry(s) from the database and doesn't trigger the deletion of FEC Framework configuration information. While the time interval between repetitions of an announcement can be calculated as per the very sophisticated but complex formula explained in RFC2974, the preferred and simpler mean is to let the user specify the time interval from the range of 1-60 mins with suggested default being 10 mins. The implementation of signaling protocol should provide the flexibility to the operator to choose the complex method over the simpler method of determining the SAP announcement time interval. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cheers, Rajiv > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@multicasttech.com] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:06 PM > To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) > Cc: Colin Perkins; fecframe@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 > > > On Mar 10, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote: > > > Hi Colin, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. Could you please provide more context ? > > From the jabber logs > > Colin : SAP is problematic, because its long inter-packet interval > interacts > poorly with many multicast routing protocols. Have you given any > consideration to these problems? This was the reason for the > (stalled) IMG work in MMUSIC. > > Colin : internet-media guides > > Colin : Problem is that multicast state times about, because SAP > sends so infrequently. > > [he means "times out"] > > Regards > Marshall > > > > > > Cheers, > > Rajiv > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Colin Perkins [mailto:csp@csperkins.org] > >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:39 PM > >> To: Rajiv Asati (rajiva) > >> Cc: Greg Shepherd; fecframe@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 > >> > >> On 26 Feb 2008, at 20:06, Rajiv Asati (rajiva) wrote: > >>> I would like to request a timeslot (15mins) to present > the 'FECframe > >>> Config signaling' draft. > >>> > >>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-asati-fecframe-config-signaling-00 > >> > >> SAP is problematic, because its long inter-packet interval > interacts > >> poorly with many multicast routing protocols. Have you given any > >> consideration to these problems? This was the reason for the > >> (stalled) IMG work in MMUSIC. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Colin [by email, since the jabber doesn't seem to be in use] > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Fecframe mailing list > > Fecframe@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe > > _______________________________________________ Fecframe mailing list Fecframe@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fecframe
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Colin Perkins
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Colin Perkins
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Colin Perkins
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [Fecframe] Fecframe Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Rajiv Asati (rajiva)