tentative minutes
Patrick Droz <dro@zurich.ibm.com> Fri, 28 March 2003 13:26 UTC
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:26:24 +0100
From: Patrick Droz <dro@zurich.ibm.com>
Organization: IBM Research
Subject: tentative minutes
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Attached are the tentative minutes from the last IETF. In case you want to have something changes please let me know. I intent to submit them to the IETF server early next week. Regards, Patrick ForCES IETF 56 Meeting Minutes About 100 persons attended the meeting. Thanks to Hormuzd for taking notes. FACT - Ram Gopal Ram presented a protocol overview including the NE model and the message structure, Q Adam - why CE tag if one CE is active? A Ram - cause of multiple CE sets He then showed message classes and the types. Afterwards the association phase including the sequence of operations were shown. Also the states of the elements were introduces. Q Jamal - Is this CE-to-CE or FE-to-FE communication? A Ram - NO, CE-to-FE. Then the normal operation phases were given. Finally some other features were given like 2 phase, command bundling, and high availability (HA). Q XYZ - Can this be used only for post-association? A Ram - yes, but certain configuration needs to be done in pre-association Q Adam - All IP Address are only 32 bits, is that on purpose? A Ram - No, this need to be fixed Netlink2 - Robert Haas The reasoning why Netlink2 is derived from netlink is because netlink is already widely used in linux systems as a message-based interface between control code (usually running in user space) and forwarding code (kernel space) to perform, for instance, IP routing, ARP, QoS, etc. Netlink2 extends netlink to address the fact that CEs and FEs can be distributed. The Netlink2 header is an extension of the netlink header with slight changes, and supports optional TLVs. FEs and CEs have unique PIDs. Logical PIDs can be used to group FEs and CEs. Netlink2 extends the concept of the netlink wire to Netlink2 wires and bundles that are built with IP unicast and multicast addresses to enable scalability and high-availability. Q XYZ - How do multiple CEs send messages to multiple FEs? A Robert – by different multicast addresses Netlink2 has built in reliability, it has a prioritization method, an ACK strategy to confirm messages. It support atomicity, ordering and batching. The flexibility of Netlink2 comes from its wires & bundles. In the current version of the draft there is no capability discovery yet. Q Alex - The draft does not seem to give specifics about configurations. Lots of should/could but no details ? A Jamal - last section talks about this, the draft gives mechanisms, need to add details Q Alex - What about Scalability issues? A Jamal – by using broadcast and multicast Q Lorenzo Vicisano (co-chair of reliable multicast WG) - Scalability might be limited by reliability A Robert – reliable multicast methods from this WG should be used if needed. FE Model - Ram Gopal Ram showed the FE Block and the block library. On the Issue list he had - topology discovery out of scope, no restriction of FE block layout, control of topology CE or FE? The intend is to provide a bunch of handles and do not represent topology. Q XYZ - what do you mean by logical loops & physical loops? A Ram - physical - layout of board, logical - blocks can have some logic Q Jamal - looping to same instance should be allowed A Ram - yes, this depends on the block properties Q Joel - describe blocks on wire and in doc and need input from WG Q Jamal - no constraint on how many FE blocks can be connected, add some text for this. Q Chair - Has the doc been read? A Quite a few people have read the draft but more people should be involved. Chair – Should further discuss the draft on the mailing list TIPC (Telecom Inter Process Communication) - Jon Maloy TIPC is high-speed, reliable message oriented communication service specially designed for cluster environments. They implemented the FACT proposal on top of TPIC and using XML encoding. The protocol has a logical addressing scheme and agile connections. It was claimed that TIPC is easily portable. It runs on different interconnects (over Ethernet, UDP/IP, SCTP/IP). Q Alex - Why TIPC over SCTP, it is already a transport? Q - how does TIPC addressing work on IP? Q - is it used most of the time over Ethernet or over IP ? A Jon - over Ethernet, Q - then why 2 addressing schemes? A – for logical addressing TIPC is location transparent, and FE binds to services. At the start of the synchronization the topology detection takes place. Q Jamal - is this built into TIPC ? or in lower transport ? A Jon - yes Demo of FACT/XML over 2 P4 systems Q Alex - what is the latency of the switch? A Jon - currently 1 sec Q Jamal - how big is this protocol? Would it fit on top of a router? A Jon - code size is 15,000 loc Q - why is it inside the kernel? A - for performance reasons -- Dr. Patrick Droz | dro@zurich.ibm.com IBM Zurich Research Laboratory | http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dro Saumerstrasse 4 | Tel. +41-1-724-85-25 CH-8803 Rueschlikon/Switzerland | Fax. +41-1-724-85-78
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