[ftpext] Fwd: FTPEXT BOF
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I haven't seen this here yet, & the IETF meeting in Maastricht is about a month away so I figured I'd post it. I won't be able to attend but I plan to help as much as I can otherwise. I'm more fitted to outreach or administrative type work. I've already reviewed 1 of the previous 20 or so abandoned drafts. can some of the implementers voice their opinion? I know at least one person was thinking of submitting a totally new draft... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM Subject: [apps-discuss] FTPEXT BOF To: Apps-Discuss@ietf.org Peter and I received a request to hold FTPEXT BOF in Maastricht. I am the sponsoring AD for it: BOF Chairs: Barry Leiba Length of session: 1 hour Goal: See if there is enough interest and energy to form a WG Draft Charter, Goals: <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/ftp-bof.txt> Mailing list: ftpext@ietf.org To subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ftpext> or <mailto:ftpext-request@ietf.org?body=subscribe> Mailing list archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ftpext/current/maillist.html> Related Drafts: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bryan-ftp-hash/> and <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hethmon-mcmurray-ftp-hosts/> (others might follow) _______________________________________________ apps-discuss mailing list apps-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss -------------------- [Tentative] BOF Proposal: FTP Extensions, 2nd edition (ftpext2) Chair: TBD (see "Conditions" note at end) Application Area Directors: Alexey and Peter Description and Background The Standard File Transfer Protocol specification in RFC 959 has been updated several times with command extensions of one sort or another, including those based on the extension mechanism of RFCs 2389 (a complete list appears in RFC 5797 and the corresponding IANA registry). In the last several years, a series of additional Internet Drafts (listed below) have been posted and suggested for processing as individual submissions; of those, only draft-hethmon-mcmurray-ftp-hosts has made it to IETF Last Call although several others have been discussed extensively. A registry now exists for command extensions (RFC 5797). Those Internet-Drafts are: Active drafts: draft-bryan-ftp-hash draft-hethmon-mcmurray-ftp-hosts Expired individual submission drafts. This list is derived from a quick search of the I-D database. Some of them have been superceded by other work; others were abandoned long ago by the authors. Posting dates are listed from the index; expiration dates six months later. draft-bonachea-sftp-00 Protocol Negotiation Extensions to Secure FTP 1999-06-18 draft-casey-url-ftp-00 A FTP URL Format 1997-01-09 (presumably superceded by draft-hoffman-ftp-uri) draft-chin-dnftp-01 Distributed New File Transfer Protocol 2006-05-02 draft-dilip-ftpext-safe-transfer-00 Safe GET & Safe PUT options for FTP 2006-01-17 draft-fordh-ftp-ssl-firewall-07 FTP/TLS Friendly Firewalls 2005-10-21 draft-hoffman-ftp-uri-04 The ftp URI Scheme 2005-01-03 draft-klensin-ftp-typeu-00 FTP Extension for Internationalized Text 2008-07-27 draft-metz-spasv-00 Short Passive (SPASV) Command for FTP 1998-01-13 draft-mityok-macbin1-01 Adopt MacBinary II Mac File Encoding for FTP Transfers 1996-07-30 draft-peterson-streamlined-ftp-command-extensions-06 Streamlined FTP Command Extensions 2008-08-29 draft-preston-ftpext-deflate-03 Deflate transmission mode for FTP 2005-01-14 draft-rajeshs-ftpext-rec-arch-transfer-01 FTP Extensions for recursive and archived file transfers 2005-04-29 draft-rosenau-ftp-single-port-05 FTP EXTENSION ALLOWING IP FORWARDING (NATs) 2008-09-18 draft-saul-ftp-plus-00 FTP Plus 2000-08-29 draft-somers-ftp-mfxx-03 The 'MFMT', 'MFCT', and 'MFF' Command Extensions for FTP 2008-07-28 draft-stewart-ftp-client-mib-00 FTP Client MIB 1998-11-17 draft-twine-ftpmd5-00 The 'MD5' and 'MMD5' FTP Command Extensions 2002-05-14 The following additional drafts were work products of the old FTPEXT WG that do not appear to have been replaced by RFCs: draft-ietf-ftpext-data-connection-assurance-00 FTP Data Connection Assurance 2002-05-24 draft-ietf-ftpext-restart-00 REST Command and Extensions to FTP 1997-03-21 draft-ietf-ftpext-utf-8-option-00 UTF-8 Option for FTP 2002-05-24 In addition, draft-ietf-behave-ftp64 may need additional review from an FTP-focused group. BOF Purpose/Charter This BOF has three purposes: (1) To triage the lists above and determine which of the drafts have been, or should be, permanently abandoned and which ones need further attention. It is expected that those who are interested in this work will go through that list and post opinions prior to the BOF session. Additional drafts may be added to the list if they were accidentally overlooked. (2) To identify additional areas in which FTP may be in need of extension. (3) To make a plan about how to proceed. Such a plan might be the formation of a WG, some FTP-specific directorate or review team for oversight of drafts related to FTP, or a conclusion that handling FTP drafts as uncoordinated individual submissions is appropriate. The BOF's purposes do not include a discussion of why FTP is obsolete and no one should be using it. Those who hold that position should hope that the BOF concludes that there is no interest in the IETF; if there is interest, work should proceed in some form if only to maximize interoperability with extensions that will be made anyway. The BOF leadership is expected to rule those out of order anyone who wants to argue that FTP should be abandoned or deprecated (without letting them get started if they have already taken that position on the obvious mailing lists). ----------------- Conditions: While it would be good to schedule this BOF, it is time to make a determination as to whether there is actually critical mass in the IETF to progress work on FTP. If no one cares enough to review drafts carefully other than their authors, we should just encourage the ISE to publish descriptions of implemented protocol extensions as Informational, make sure the extension keywords and parameters are in the registry, and move on. On the other hand, if people do care (and the recent responses on the IETF and Apps-Discuss lists to the hethmon-mcmurray and bryan drafts indicates that there might be), then we ought to be able to organize a systematic IETF review process and possibly even some strategic work on what is needed. Evidence of "someone cares" would be reflected by pre-IETF postings of proposed evaluations of I-Ds from the lists above and volunteers, from the FTP development and/or deployment communities, to lead the BOF or otherwise convince the ADs of intent to actively participate. -- (( Anthony Bryan ... Metalink [ http://www.metalinker.org ] )) Easier, More Reliable, Self Healing Downloads
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