[gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Stephen Farrel's comment #3: Section 7.3
"Jose Saldana" <jsaldana@unizar.es> Fri, 15 April 2016 08:20 UTC
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Subject: [gaia] draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments. Stephen Farrel's comment #3: Section 7.3
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Hi all, This is another comment from Stephen. However, I think we have significantly improved this section. See this thread: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gaia/current/msg01198.html > > - 7.3 omits email, which is odd and you only mention the web in the > > context of proxies which is maybe even more odd; and NTP is not really > > an "intranet" service, nor is IRC. Maybe this section could do with > > some more work? This is the current version: ------ 7.3. Services provided This section provides an overview of the services provided by the network. Many Alternative Networks can be considered Autonomous Systems, being (or aspiring to be) a part of the Internet. The services provided can include, but are not limited to: o Web browsing. o e-mail. o Remote desktop (e.g. using my home computer and my Internet connection when I am away). o FTP file sharing (e.g. distribution of software and media). o VoIP (e.g. with SIP). o P2P file sharing. o Public video cameras. o DNS. o Online games servers. o Jabber instant messaging. o Weather stations. o Network monitoring. o Videoconferencing / streaming. o Radio streaming. o Message / Bulletin board. Due to bandwidth limitations, some services (file sharing, VoIP, etc.) may not be allowed in some Alternative Networks. In some of these cases, a number of federated proxies provide web browsing service for the users. Some specialized services have been especifically developed for Alternative Networks: o Inter-network peering/VPNs (e.g. https://wiki.freifunk.net/IC- VPN). o Local wikis (e.g. https://localwiki.org). o Community oriented portals (e.g. http://tidepools.co/). o Network monitoring/deployment/maintenance platform.s o VoIP sharing between networks, allowing cheap calls between countries. o Sensor networks and citizen science build by adding sensors to devices. o Community radio/TV stations. 7.3.1. Use of VPNs Some "micro-ISPs" may use the network as a backhaul for providing Internet access, setting up VPNs from the client to a machine with Internet access. 7.3.2. Other facilities Other facilities, as NTP or IRC servers may also be present in Alternative Networks. ------ Best regards, Jose > -----Mensaje original----- > De: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] En nombre de Matthew Ford > Enviado el: lunes, 04 de abril de 2016 15:22 > Para: gaia <gaia@irtf.org> > Asunto: [gaia] Fwd: [irsg] IRSG Poll: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments > > With Stephen’s permission, I’m sharing his comments on the alternative-network- > deployments draft. > > Mat > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> > > Subject: Re: [irsg] IRSG Poll: > > draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments > > Date: 18 March 2016 at 13:21:38 GMT-3 > > To: Matthew Ford <ford@isoc.org>, Internet Research Steering Group > > <irsg@irtf.org> > > > > > > - 5.5: you don't mention DTN, there have been a number DTN based > > testbeds, but probably none that reached any scale (so you might be > > right to leave those out) > > > > - 7.2 doesn't mention PEPs, might be worth including as satellite was > > mentioned earlier (as they break stuff when > > present;-) > > > > - 7.3 omits email, which is odd and you only mention the web in the > > context of proxies which is maybe even more odd; and NTP is not really > > an "intranet" service, nor is IRC. Maybe this section could do with > > some more work? > > > > Missing characteristics - I didn't see much or any consideration of > > the stuff below and would have thought that these issues were > > important in characterising alternative networks: > > > > - Reliability: I only see one instance of the string "reliab" > > which is odd - wouldn't the reliability of these networks be a major > > consideration? I mean the overall uptime mostly, and not the packet > > loss rate. > > > > - Latency: I also see only one mention of latency which is also > > surprising - for some of these networks I assume that e.g. not being > > fast enough to use FB, gmail or similar is a barrier. I'd have thought > > that'd be an interesting characteristic too. > > > > - Power: whether the nodes have reliable power or not would also seem > > to be an interesting way to characterise 'em. > > > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
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