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Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Thu, 19 October 2023 05:18 UTC

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> On 19 Oct 2023, at 2:49 pm, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't want this to appear all defensive, but https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iesg-discuss-criteria/ was exposed to the community and was discussed on ietf@ietf.org in 2005 and 2006. The first request for community comments went out in July 2005**. There were certainly  modifications as a result, but there was no formal Last Call since it wasn't turned into an RFC.

Of course. The details of how that feedback is collected, considered, and applied matter, though.

> For something like this to work, it really needs to be a genuine dialogue between the IESG and the interested subset of the community. Or to say that a bit differently, the IESG needs to be actively engaged in the discussion. I do very much agree that community involvement is necessary. I thought that in 2005 and I still do.

We agree very much on these points. 

Cheers,


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