[Gendispatch] Re: New Version Notification for draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions-00.txt

[Mark Nottingham <[e-mail]>]

Hey Brian,

I hear you re the third rail. My inclination is that it'd be better to have improved documentation than have groups continue to trip over it. 

This is very much a starting point and we know it isn't complete -- it's the product of less than a day of consideration. If there's appetite we can try to address the harder problems.

Cheers,


> On 22 Jul 2026, at 9:43 am, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hmm. I am inclined to say: don't touch the 3rd rail, it is definitely electrified.
> 
> Specifically, section 2.3. "Handling Objections" doesn't seem to me to handle the hard case: an objection has a clear technical basis, has significant support in the group, but clearly only from a minority of participants. We don't vote and we don't have rough consensus.
> 
> Section 2.3 seems to describe a short extract from the resulting infinite loop ("the proposal must be revised... or the decision deferred").
> 
> That aside, the draft seems right, but it seems to leave the hard problem intact.
> 
> Regards/Ngā mihi
>   Brian Carpenter
> 
> On 22-Jul-26 07:49, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>> Hello,
>> After some discussion this week, Pete and I have put together a draft that we'd like to share with others for consideration. It is by no means complete (or even necessarily correct), but discussing it might help us make progress.
>> If there's time for an initial discussion in GENDISPATCH this week we would welcome that, but of course we would completely understand if it's not possible.
>> Cheers,
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> *From: *[e-mail]
>>> *Subject: **New Version Notification for draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions-00.txt*
>>> *Date: *21 July 2026 at 9:48:58 pm GMT+2
>>> *To: *"Mark Nottingham" <[e-mail]>, "Pete Resnick" <[e-mail]>
>>> 
>>> A new version of Internet-Draft draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions-00.txt has been
>>> successfully submitted by Mark Nottingham and posted to the
>>> IETF repository.
>>> 
>>> Name:     draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions
>>> Revision: 00
>>> Title:    Making Decisions in the IETF
>>> Date:     2026-07-21
>>> Group:    Individual Submission
>>> Pages:    10
>>> URL:      https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions-00.txt
>>> Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions/
>>> HTML:     https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions-00.html
>>> HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Abstract:
>>> 
>>>   This document specifies Best Current Practice for making decisions
>>>   within the IETF process.
>>> 
>>>   It updates Section 3.3 of [RFC2418].
>>> 
>>> About This Document
>>> 
>>>   This note is to be removed before publishing as an RFC.
>>> 
>>>   Status information for this document may be found at
>>>   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottnick-ietf-decisions/.
>>> 
>>>   information can be found at https://projects.mnot.net/I-D/.
>>> 
>>>   Source for this draft and an issue tracker can be found at
>>>   https://github.com/mnot/I-D/labels/SHORT.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The IETF Secretariat
>>> 
>>> 
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