Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, "'ietf@ietf.org'" <ietf@ietf.org>, "admin-discuss@ietf.org" <admin-discuss@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
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The best list for this is admin-discuss@ietf.org. I will reply shortly with a response to you and that list.

Thanks
Jason

On 3/3/21, 4:33 PM, "ietf on behalf of Fernando Gont" <ietf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of fernando@gont.com.ar> wrote:

    Folks,

    While studying the topic of diversity and inclusiveness in the IETF, the
    question arouse about what are the implications of the IETF LLC being
    registered in the USA.

    In particular, I'm concerned about the possible implications for
    participants from USA-sanctioned countries or organizations.

    I asked a few people here and there, and was referred to this document:
    https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_LLC_OFAC_Compliance_Policy_2020-10-06.pdf__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!VSkOxyiXxuuG1uPa9USj7e3GAT2nL-D9ZpLeurEvTJzkrOjCTDqdumyOzkuZ_YU7lLlIhw$

    That document contains text such as:

    ---- cut here ----
    Meeting Registrations
    The current automated meeting registration system can continue, but at
    regular intervals, and no later than 30 days before the meeting begins,
    the list of registered participants and financial institutions
    associated with payment of registration fees must be checked (both for
    individual names and country of domicile and residence).
    ---- cut here ----

    and

    ---- cut here ----
    Action
    The IETF Executive Director will work with IETF LLC counsel to determine
    what action to take in each individual case. This may include not
    pursuing the contractual relationship, revoking the meeting
    registration, cancelling any existing contract or other action.
    ---- cut here ----


    I'm certainly not a lawyer, and hence I'd like an authoritative and
    clear explanation about what are the possible outcomes of this "OFAC
    Compliance Policy".

    For example, could it result in participants from Cuba, Iran, Myanmar,
    North Korea, Sudan or Syria being rejected their registration, and hence
    being prevented to participate in IETF meetings?

    If that were the case, I'm sure that we'd all agree that that would be
    inappropriate, discriminatory, oppressive, and ultimately unacceptable.
    I hope that that's not even a possibility.

    Could anyone please clarify this?

    P.S.: Besides sanctions on countries such as the above, there also seems
    to be a whole list of people and organizations that are
    sanctioned/banned:
    https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/specially-designated-nationals-and-blocked-persons-list-sdn-human-readable-lists__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!VSkOxyiXxuuG1uPa9USj7e3GAT2nL-D9ZpLeurEvTJzkrOjCTDqdumyOzkuZ_YW28A79Fg$

    Thanks,
    --
    Fernando Gont
    e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com
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