[Gendispatch] AD review of draft-halpern-gendispatch-consensusinformational-01

Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> Tue, 21 January 2020 15:18 UTC

Return-Path: <alissa@cooperw.in>
X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79666120112; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:18:51 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.699
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=Hzq/ogw3; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=e9sI3rwO
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3-baGR7lfQnK; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:18:45 -0800 (PST)
Received: from wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout3-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E095712013A; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 07:18:42 -0800 (PST)
Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C49650; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:18:42 -0500 (EST)
Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:18:42 -0500
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= from:content-type:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:cc:to; s= fm2; bh=53QHMASOQ6eVKn7r5+ZIC70G2+gunrN431WPVN8AY1A=; b=Hzq/ogw3 Cf7h+Poz8SuUiKYD/oJ2ts877udYiSc35ZVHAas5QshWAOcDlUS/QE68ZH4A8LaD j/ExcAD9R00NTM+om0KX/+Ep4R28La3bqh17ruwD3p9ugmG2BlRtmqkqD+WHgSIl /4FbsE4bHDKfTejEQGrSApuDDHhn3kEb94bhmrSKiqXbLVhTbHzwfz+SK3Iel8rz 0iOlO8Q7N0p8Dpbts84lvhKLKi3Bo9eFmSH7r1p0EOBIU4Zd/5g3plv/Ce69OcjM x84fu/ciNVbBlnwquuWeoPXpFJzUlUtXBAjOfjKZGyVGCfUqCNpQxEMLge8Mg+wK rTXztPnhB5Z92g==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=53QHMASOQ6eVKn7r5+ZIC70G2+gun rN431WPVN8AY1A=; b=e9sI3rwOKoSkAXOg6m+Ys8rzjLeqZZ9hr8r1O7lJTlmvh F894gu5Ap08SzejotfZ8lyv6xj2Hp0xBuW1BwG5tqnSrKE4o4o1pwaistQsKA/2Q THH9xk1PQ9bTgjaQRtSPujM+v6WKhmSSp+nIyKmQFVVRgscYgLMmDfT0TfeBz4Eh g04SvOarYEMPgWSTwLKFRqykuaKTfP6ASsIYgKbA7f7Uk0P8ZDkvbXQqtAoFbIqE 2oO10hRwAgg0bpenFu4wNZQF2kxL9gKGFsayUUz9VoY+OQytGGaKsQB0QIfw+lXT mRopAQhBif+ARxF0AkWY7XYfEBNy5wTNaonGdbbaA==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:URYnXv6iAV3t1mx3AyyJnw7ckt1dBkmRCR9iQrALPmbZr1AFLI2ezQ>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrudekgdejgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephfgtggfukfffvffosegrtdhmrehhtd ejnecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhishhsrgcuvehoohhpvghruceorghlihhsshgrsegtohhophgv rhifrdhinheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehivghtfhdrohhrghenucfkphepudejfedrfeekrd duudejrdejkeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhr ohhmpegrlhhishhsrgestghoohhpvghrfidrihhn
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:URYnXpKPbzn1p8pLUfSmyusS-ywzza5R6WDvQJVh_bKEkRj-B7bbBw> <xmx:URYnXhc6wGduW2KzUILqnIvTchNeAA_1iJeQSP7gRuebsyZrosK4zw> <xmx:URYnXkdvPG-z_1-JK83ROHm9qDZ0M-JgrlBKBHmaeralGr4n6JVE3w> <xmx:URYnXpHizDOmh3JD-MDUQHQoNO8K6rY_4zsd4G8RyZfksL-YI4n4LA>
Received: from rtp-alcoop-nitro2.cisco.com (unknown [173.38.117.78]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7EBD8328005A; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:18:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_889A3CAA-3722-4BA6-8521-AA55F60C2A48"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\))
Message-Id: <DEB9EC4A-D51F-48EC-B386-F630D10C7872@cooperw.in>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:18:38 -0500
Cc: gendispatch@ietf.org
To: draft-halpern-gendispatch-consensusinformational@ietf.org
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/RX6ZiLwrFTlifsxaHkEyAk5DGQo>
Subject: [Gendispatch] AD review of draft-halpern-gendispatch-consensusinformational-01
X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: General Area Dispatch <gendispatch.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/gendispatch>, <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gendispatch/>
List-Post: <mailto:gendispatch@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gendispatch>, <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 15:18:51 -0000

I have reviewed this document in preparation for IETF last call. The document is almost ready for IETF LC but there are a couple of substantive issues I’d like to discuss and some nits to be resolved. This document is AD-sponsored but I’ve cc’ed the gendispatch list for transparency.

=== Substantive comments ===

I tend to think this document needs to update RFC 7841 Section A.2.2, which is about document boilerplate, or otherwise indicate the new understanding that replaces this text in that section:
'The text that follows is stream dependent -- these are initial values
   and may be updated by stream definition document updates and recorded
   by the IAB on the web page.

   IETF Stream:  "This document is a product of the Internet Engineering
      Task Force (IETF)."

      If there has been an IETF consensus call per IETF process, this
      additional text should be added: "It represents the consensus of
      the IETF community.  It has received public review and has been
      approved for publication by the Internet Engineering Steering
      Group (IESG)."  If there has not been such a consensus call, then
      this simply reads: "It has been approved for publication by the
      Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG)."'
= Section 4 =

(1) "The IESG has issued a statement saying that no document will be issued without first conducting an IETF Last Call.” Which statement is that? I found https://ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/last-call-guidance/ but it doesn’t make the claim above.

(2) Related to my comment above about RFC 7841, I think for the purposes of IETF last call, the last paragraph of this section should be removed. If this draft does not end up getting published as an RFC, we can work out a way to get the boilerplate updated to be more clear about documents being published without consensus.

=== Nits ===

= Abstract =

s/IEtF/IETF/

s/this updates/this document updates/

= Section 1 =

s/IETF procedures, as defined by [RFC2026 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026>]/IETF procedures as defined by [RFC2026 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026>]/