Re: [Geopriv] Timezones in Civic locations

Even if it was, aren't we talking about LO here?

-andy

On Mar 30, 2006, at 4:16 PM, Marc Linsner wrote:

> So, is the current timezone draft moving it's way through the dhc wg
> considered LCI and subject to RFC3693?
>
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lear-dhc-timezone- 
> option-02.txt
>
> -Marc-
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Newton [mailto:andy@hxr.us]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:44 PM
>> To: Thomson, Martin
>> Cc: geopriv@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Geopriv] Timezones in Civic locations
>>
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Thomson, Martin wrote:
>>
>>> You haven't addressed the primary concern, which is that
>> timezone is a
>>> consequence of location, not a location datum.  This is
>> about drawing
>>> a line.  There are many types of data that can be derived from
>>> location in this manner: the local language(s), what side
>> of the road
>>> you drive on, the offset of magnetic north, the form of government,
>>> universal adult suffrage, the height of the water table...I
>> could go
>>> on.
>>
>> Timezone is as much a consequence of location as country and
>> postal code are a consequence of location.  Both are
>> arbitrarily specified by humans.
>>
>> Local time in relation to UTC is a consequence of location,
>> but timezones themselves are determined by humans.  If
>> timezones actually followed longitudinal lines, I'd believe
>> your argument, but anybody who has ever looked at a map of
>> timezones for 2 seconds will tell you they are determined
>> based on politics just like country borders.
>>
>> And if we are to discount datums because they can be derived
>> from other datums, then ZIP+4 should eliminate street number,
>> street name, city, county, and state from PIDF-LO.
>>
>> And your analogy on derivation is wrong. I'd like to see you
>> derive the "local language" of 100 random people from either
>> Quebec or southern Louisiana.  Chances are you will get it
>> wrong a significant number of times.
>>
>>> Incidentally, timezone is represented independently of daylight
>>> savings.  For instance, Australia/NSW, Canada/Eastern,
>> Etc/GMT+10 [1].
>>> [1] http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzref.tzc
>>
>> Well then, what's the big deal?
>>
>> -andy
>>
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