Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-wkc-behavior - ENDS: Nov 27, 2018 (11/27/2018)

David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Tue, 11 December 2018 02:58 UTC

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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 20:58:33 -0600
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Subject: Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-wkc-behavior - ENDS: Nov 27, 2018 (11/27/2018)
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I support publishing this document.

However, I have a small concern about it.  It seems to recommend that "set
community X" should remove all well-known communities by default. However, the
default removal of certain well-known communities like "NO_EXPORT" by "set
community X" itself surprises many novices to BGP policy, and this behavior
has caused more than one unintentional route leak. So, I believe IOS XR's
behavior has advantages, yet it does create surprise when compared to other
router OSes, as discussed currently in the document. Therefore, I believe
that the document should at least discuss the advantages of not removing all
well-known communities by default, even if in the end it recommends removing
all well-known communities by default.

Thanks

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:26 AM Job Snijders <job@instituut.net> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> So far we only received one note in support of publication. Before
> declaring consensus one way or another I'd prefer if we have more
> feedback to work with.
>
> Your feedback is crucial to the IETF publication proces, so please
> take a few minutes to read the document and consider whether you are
> in favor of publication or have objections.
>
> We'll extend the WGLC with another week to allow the working group to
> provide feedback.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> JobOn Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:56 AM Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
> >
> > Christopher Morrow wrote on 06/11/2018 04:34:
> > > Please have a read/review/comment and let's see if we can close out and
> > > move forward by the end of the month.
> >
> > no comments to add.  please publish.
> >
> > Nick
> >
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