Re: [Hipsec] Teredo compatibility

Miika Komu <miika.komu@hiit.fi> Sun, 20 December 2009 14:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Teredo compatibility
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Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:

Hi,

running ICE over Teredo works but is potentially a big overkill due to 
redundant functionality. Some of the results can be predicted as 
depicted below (and even incorporated in the ICE module if needed).

> Hi,
> 
> as Andrew indicates, the whole point of ICE is that it sends probes to 
> see what works and what does not. We should not go off and specify stuff 
> that will be discovered anyway at run time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gonzalo
> 
> Andrew McGregor wrote:
>> Ok, but in any case, candidate address probing deals with those issues.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 12/12/2009, at 1:02 AM, Miika Komu wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew McGregor wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> it should be short section then, right?)
>>>
>>> I basically agree with you. Based on our experimentation, it works 
>>> but there are some caveats regarding to pairing of addressing. So, 
>>> sending of packets from src->dst:
>>>
>>> Teredo->Teredo: works
>>> Teredo->IPv6: does not work without a (commercial) relay service
>>> IPv6->Teredo: works
>>> IPv6->IPv6: (works :)
>>>
>>> Samu, please comment if I got the two middle ones in wrong order.
>>>
>>> Also, at least the miredo implementation on linux is good, but not 
>>> perfect. Some performance-related issues and sometimes HIP packets 
>>> just don't go through (usually restarting of miredo works).
>>>
>>>> Why?  It just works, if Teredo is available it's just another IPv6 
>>>> address.
>>>> Andrew
>>>> On 12/12/2009, at 12:49 AM, Miika Komu wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> we've done some concrete work on NAT traversal with ICE, but what 
>>>>> about Teredo? I think RFC5201 and RFC5206 should have some 
>>>>> statements about Teredo-based addresses?
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