Re: [Hipsec] draft-ietf-hip-dex-24 need multiple changes

"Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com> Fri, 16 July 2021 16:41 UTC

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From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Hipsec] draft-ietf-hip-dex-24 need multiple changes
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Dear DEX authors, dear HIP WG members,


It is nearly 4 months since I sent the email below. I also sent a reminder on the 26th of June https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/hipsec/FkZLcSN1trbRqwq02LrefhPpnuw/ still waiting for one author’s reply.



Without a plan and a commitment by the authors (or the WG) to work on HIP-DEX to address all points (in addition to go to ‘experimental’) before the end of IETF-111, I am afraid that, as the responsible AD, I will have no choice but declaring this I-D ‘dead’, i.e., no work will be done any more on it. BTW, with the increase of CPU power in constrained networks/devices, we can also wonder whether DEX is still required as BEX could possibly be used in this context.



Looking forward to reading authors’ plan and commitment,



Regards



-éric


From: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, 25 March 2021 at 17:46
To: "hipsec@ietf.org" <hipsec@ietf.org>rg>, "draft-ietf-hip-dex.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-hip-dex.all@ietf.org>
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Subject: draft-ietf-hip-dex-24 need multiple changes
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Resent-Date: Thursday, 25 March 2021 at 17:46

Bob, René, Miika, dear HIP WG members,

The HIP-DEX went through a third (!) IESG evaluation this Thursday and it was not approved.

The document clearly needs to change its intended status to experimental from standard track. This will clear some DISCUSS points but not all: many of them will still need to be addressed (notably the crypto-related ones).

The point about ‘is it really required to drop security from HIP-BEX ?’ was also raised by several ADs. In short, the usefulness of HIP-DEX is clearly questioned. This could be addressed by either declaring this document ‘dead’ (won’t be published) or providing actual performance numbers on real implementation on recent CPU (hint such as those used in drones).

As you will see, I am sending this hip-dex document back to the HIP WG to fix the above points (another IETF Last Call will be required once the changes are written). I am also taking actions to release the NAT traversal and the 4423-bis documents waiting in the RFC Editor queue.

Can we get from the authors an estimation of the resolution of all above points ? (including the actual performance numbers)

Sorry for bringing bad news...

Regards

-éric