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Re: [homenet] [Int-area] [Captive-portals] Re: Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: "captive-portals@ietf.org" <captive-portals@ietf.org>, "homenet@ietf.org" <homenet@ietf.org>, "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>
CC: Jason Weil <Jason.Weil@charter.com>, "Lee, Yiu" <Yiu_Lee@comcast.com>, "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
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Subject: Re: [homenet] [Int-area] [Captive-portals] Re: Evaluate impact of MAC address randomization to IP applications
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BTW today we submitted the final BoF proposal, such as it is. We are looking for volunteers as BoF chair(s) as well as volunteers to present. An updated agenda can be found at https://github.com/jlivingood/IETF109BoF/blob/master/109-Agenda.md & we are happy to take suggestions on the agenda as well.

Please let us know if you'd like to present (off-list: email the people on cc - Jason Weil <Jason.Weil@charter.com>; Yiu Lee <Yiu_Lee@Cable.Comcast.com>; Jason Livingood <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>).

Thanks!
Jason

On 9/30/20, 5:59 PM, "Int-area on behalf of Carsten Bormann" <int-area-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

    On 2020-09-30, at 19:16, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
    >
    > the
    > adversary

    There may be more than one.
    Of course, if you want to attack privacy, being Google or Facebook gives you unique opportunities.
    That doesn’t mean you don’t want to have a seat belt any more if you have lane-keeping assistance.

    Grüße, Carsten

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