Re: [homenet] PREFIX-DOMAIN in HNCP

Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> Fri, 10 July 2015 12:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] PREFIX-DOMAIN in HNCP
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> those with internet access are "desired" in the sense of
> draft-ietf-homenet-prefix-assignment (this is not standard normative
> language).  Maybe we should ask Pierre what the actual normative
> translation to that is,

I'm happy with the current situation -- "desired" is precisely defined in
the PA draft.  I would simply suggest changing hncp to say "desired in the
sense defined in Section whatever of [I.D.-whatever]".  And put "desired"
in Italics ;-)

> consider this changed for -08, to all are desired by default.

Oh, my.

In that case, please clarify whether prefixes assigned from non-zero
policy prefixes should be treated specially, by HNCP, by the routing
protocol, or by RA/DHCP.  (E.g. do I just serve such a prefix normally
over DHCPv4?  Do I tag it somehow in the routing protocol?  Do I serve the
associated DHCP options normally, say DNS servers?)

Steven, I'd really be grateful for a usage scenario.

> Also maybe this thing should be renamed to Prefix Policy TLV since this
> seems more accurate.

That's probably better, since it doesn't imply it's a DNS thing.

>> 3. if a delegated prefix with non-zero domain is included within a prefix
>>    with zero domain, it still causes the (longer, smaller) prefix to be
>>    excluded from prefix assignment according to 6.2.1.

> It is intended as: Delegated Prefixes included within other Delegated
> Prefixes are ignored, as well as their nested options.

Right, silly me.  Excluded prefixes are encoded as Assigned Prefixes with
Link Identifier zero and Priority 15 (Section 6.2.5).

-- Juliusz