Re: [homenet] Please review security considerations of draft-homenet-babel-profile

Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> Tue, 25 July 2017 22:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] Please review security considerations of draft-homenet-babel-profile
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> 1) The first sentence seems to not say what to do if a packet comes
> from a 1918 IPv4 address. Even if that's not supposed to happen, it
> could be attempted. What's an implementation supposed to do then?

Both HNCP and Babel use IPv6 for carrying control data.  There's no way an
IPv4 packet can be received by them (barring bugs, of course).  See also
REQ1 in this draft.

> 2) Again I need to read the rest of the draft, but does this mean
> that anyone on that link of the homenet can inject these messages
> without any authentication,

On the trusted link, yes.

> and if so why is that ok?

This draft takes no stand on whether it is okay or not, it merely states
the current security situation.  Defining cryptographic authentication
mechanisms for the Homenet stack is out of scope for this draft.

-- Juliusz