Re: [homenet] Dnsdir last call review of draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation-26

Daniel Migault <mglt.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 09 February 2023 12:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] Dnsdir last call review of draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation-26
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Hi Anthony,

Thanks for the response and the multiple reviews. These reviews have been
useful and in general I am happy with what we received from the various
directorates - so thanks for the extra work.

Yours,
Daniel

On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 5:31 AM Anthony Somerset
<Anthony.Somerset@liquid.tech> wrote:

> Hi Daniel
>
>
>
> I am happy with the proposed rewording of DDoS attack surface – this at
> least remains accurate to what is taking place.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> *From: *Daniel Migault <mglt.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 08 February 2023 at 17:36
> *To: *Anthony Somerset <Anthony.Somerset@liquid.tech>
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> draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation-26
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> Hi Anthony,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the review. Please find below how we intend to address your
> comments.
>
>
>
> Yours,
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 12:32 PM Anthony Somerset via Datatracker <
> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Reviewer: Anthony Somerset
> Review result: Ready with Issues
>
> Hello
>
> I have been selected as the DNS Directorate reviewer for this draft. The
> DNS Directorate seeks to review all DNS or DNS-related drafts as
> they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special
> request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the ADs.
> For more information about the DNS Directorate, please see
> https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/dnsdir
>
> There are are clear and direct references to various DNS RFC's and this
> draft is not in any major conflict with the wider DNS space but the
> following specific suggestions relating to DNS are made.
>
> I previously Reviewed Version 18 of this draft and am re-rereviewing in
> line with the comments I made in that review -
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation-18-dnsdir-telechat-somerset-2022-10-12/
>
> Having re-read the new version a few times, and keeping track of the
> various
> reviews as not to duplicate reports for same issues i will try not say the
> same
> things again.
>
> I specifically note that Geoff has done a very definitive review of
> version 25
> of the document and i won't repeat those comments in this review but
> suffice
> to say i do concur with the assessment of the situation in his review and
> agree with the position of Ready with Issues as well
>
> I am happy with the large effort to reflow the document - it does now read
> in a
> more sensible order and helps with clarity.
>
> I am also happy with the additional security considerations that make
> sense.
>
> Major Issues: None
>
> Minor Issues:
>
> Section 2 - Public Authoritative Servers - my original NIT was dealt with
> but I
> note that anycast is now referenced here which is still extraneous, we are
> not
> attempting to deal with the standard of how Public Authoritative Servers be
> managed operationally
>
>
>
> I agree that we are not concerned on how the Public Authoritative Servers
> are managed. I suppose the comment is concerning the following sentence.
>
> If that the case, I am not reading any suggestion on how these servers are
> operated. Our main purpose here is to make sure the reader understands
> which servers we are talking about. This is the sense of the sentence: "are
> often implemented in an anycast fashion.". I propose to leave the text as
> it, but remain open to changes if I am missing something.
>
> """
>
>  are the authoritative name servers for
>       the Public Homenet Zone.  Name resolution requests for the
>       Registered Homenet Domain are sent to these servers.  Some DNS
>       operators would refer to these as public secondaries, and for
>       higher resiliency networks, are often implemented in an anycast
>       fashion.
>
> """
>
>
>
>
> Section 3 - now Section 5 - i note specifically the comment about:
>
> "In the case the HNA is a CPE, outsourcing to the DOI protects the home
> network
> against DDoS for example."
>
> I personally would consider this a dangerously inaccurate statement.
>
> This offers NO protection against a DDoS, at best it (only) slightly
> reduces
> the attack surface exposed but it provides no meaningful additional
> protection.
>
> I specifically repeat this and recommend the statement be removed or
> re-worded
> appropriately
>
> I see your point.
>
> I propose to replace:
>
> OLD:
>
> """
>
> In the case the HNA is a CPE, outsourcing to the DOI protects the home
> network against DDoS for example.
> """
>
> by NEW:
>
> """
>
> In the case the HNA is a CPE, outsourcing to the DOI reduces the attack
> surface of the home network to  DDoS for example.
>
>  """
>
>
>
> I assume the nit mentioned below have been addressed previously. In other
> words, no action is expected.
>
>
>
> Section 3.2 - Original NIT dealt with
>
> 1.1 - now 3 - NIT dealt with
>
> 3.1 now 5.1 - Typo fixed
>
> 4.5.1 - now 6.5.1 - i believe this NIT to be well addressed now, the
> reflowing
> of the document definitely helps here.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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