Re: [homenet] The minimal Babel profile for Homenet

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Tue, 03 November 2015 14:30 UTC

Return-Path: <lorenzo@google.com>
X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2D11A1A03 for <homenet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 06:30:20 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.388
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F1v8O9H4SHaz for <homenet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 06:30:19 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-yk0-x236.google.com (mail-yk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF4E31A1A00 for <homenet@ietf.org>; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 06:30:19 -0800 (PST)
Received: by ykek133 with SMTP id k133so18075313yke.2 for <homenet@ietf.org>; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 06:30:19 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=PULbJeQTEEcf/Cp7oGER+KSPi0e7FCKApuvJVKpoN/w=; b=cyXvRhz1Hr6+0KEmbkuwJ0HolKSXnXY6vnpk81FT8BSAsYp/qjkuFCDo11AM5gOtqi I5HqYtvofB9S2qmCTrmrRcktKrzBdWY+KtGuaCc1w2azzkKgI2U9MU5/BcSz1643pyl/ ZrIqi/ZPJToJa+sWu+deknKtrLqEjhuP+FXwBELLQbmoRjebgKFST9rbNVEc10V5e/0x NOsxdiIN2oWdMzVkrEtM9xKh0aM6B5rskQplWufRdL6s4LhUfVXL5cUUd+ZiPPVm0uUD UDkClRfFo4VQxMTGPo+o5ZIqJrjFS2ZFj+RifdampPSVJ96dEo0HupScJ0EZaoxxXf79 Eiww==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=PULbJeQTEEcf/Cp7oGER+KSPi0e7FCKApuvJVKpoN/w=; b=lKIo1q6TJehdF/nZGy4sGQRxWScqPqS+F1YbPqVBnULc2kDyR3tajh82rvGhyur3JF 1r+e3I2OBqBo15QFzFZ0TlHzZbx0ukJtnH0jZnpiQfWqclXvLBl/qQiOY8zWocNb7l44 aJdVRt0QKyP+jZdWPY3wqQ+gdILhHZQCcNSNH5qBiRMV1A3QbKgdNIBFK3DSsiWIITlz +7kqB6sG5J+YMhvLxj3kxxMGVta7G6nHr53Sl5KSf5zFql+LYr3sB3jAhQ03u0DOPD8v Ae76ivvftYr1P5yaz5MtuU2H7WHIo/kJZlb5dO1fQ1JVTIeP2noRprc2ksvYxkopO971 +lrA==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl36mWPruNv74cx0Sm1x9zm1+Q1bEmqNVqmjOw0UE3BRH48Y44iHKLlwgGgZ+YCyDS5rS92
X-Received: by 10.129.137.198 with SMTP id z189mr20838137ywf.307.1446561018782; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 06:30:18 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.37.87.197 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 06:29:59 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <87ziz3uoob.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>
References: <87d1vzw5q4.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611424E4546@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> <87ziz3uoob.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>
From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:29:59 +0900
Message-ID: <CAKD1Yr04WpmQqSv62_79=SFL2nV6EPYFm+82mxzX4E2tR1i74A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c06bf26ac57230523a3bbae"
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/homenet/ro900v_IvlcC4r2AHzMSxhwIXQo>
Cc: "homenet@ietf.org" <homenet@ietf.org>, "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>
Subject: Re: [homenet] The minimal Babel profile for Homenet
X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list <homenet.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/homenet>, <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/homenet/>
List-Post: <mailto:homenet@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet>, <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:30:21 -0000

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek <
jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:

> Fully agreed, but I'm not sure what is the WG's thinking about IPv4.  RFC
> 7368 (Homenet arch) is conveniently vague about IPv4.  My reading is that
> the authors of RFC 7368 expected that router vendors will use multiple NAT
> for IPv4, and that they will ignore whatever we mandate.
>

I think the base view is, "we'll spec things for IPv6; if IPv4 gets the
benefit, so much better".

In this case... what's do we get from doing src/dest routing for IPv4 given
that a host only ever has one IPv4 address? Is it just that we get
dest-based routing without NATs in the way? But if so, then how does IPv4
renumbering work without NAT?