Re: [hrpc] Request to session IRTF slot in Dallas for Human Rights and Protocol Consideration

[Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]>]

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Hi Lars,

Please find underneath the information you requested.

* group name
Human Rights Protocol Considerations

* group acronym
hrpc

* chairs other than you
Joana Varon, Niels ten Oever

* how to subscribe to the list (URL)
https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/hrpc

* any other URLs for the proposed group
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doria-hrpc-proposal-00

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital

Article 19
www.article19.org

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On 01/23/2015 02:25 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote:
> Hi Avri,
> 
> in order for me to set this up in the datatracker (so you can
> request a session), please send me this information:
> 
> * group name * group acronym * chairs other than you * how to
> subscribe to the list (URL) * any other URLs for the proposed
> group
> 
> Lars
> 
> 
> On 2015-1-23, at 14:58, Avri Doria <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signed PGP part Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks for the really fast response.  I really appreciate the
>> approach you take on 'proposed RG's, and really did not want to
>> have to work on a charter just yet.
>> 
>> My first approach at answers regarding the session.
>> 
>> * what kind of meeting do you want to hold in Dallas (on the
>> agenda, or off)
>> 
>> On the agenda, as I think it would be good to reach out to other
>> who might be interested.
>> 
>> I think a 90 minute slot would be good for this first session.
>> 
>> I have personal conflict I would like to avoid in scheduling, the
>> IANA transiton subject.  Additionally we should avoid conflict
>> with the SAAG meeting as there is where we found many interested
>> in the discussion at the last meeting and any meetings dealing
>> with privacy consideration issues.  We can build a conflict list
>> over the next days if people need to add some.
>> 
>> * do you have a mailing list?
>> 
>> Yes, [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>> 
>> * do you have a group of people with energy to make the group
>> successful?
>> 
>> Not sure yet.  There are at least 3 of us committed to the work
>> and a bunch of others who have shown interest.  There appeared to
>> be interest in continuing the discussion at the SAAG meeting, but
>> it is still early to know.  What I do believe is that we need to
>> continue the approach that started there and see if we can build
>> something.
>> 
>> * do you have some description of the group? (below is an OK
>> start)
>> 
>> I would use this  as a start.
>> 
>> A major premise of our research goals is future-proofing
>> protocols in relation to their effect on human rights. If we can
>> discover a reliable set of considerations, we may avoid needing
>> to fix as many protocols retroactively going forward. We believe
>> that our goal, consistent with RFC1958, is for the Internet to
>> continue to serve as a tool enabling connectivity among all
>> people. Attacks on the Internet's ability to do this are
>> increasing and worrisome.
>> 
>> Some of the topics we want to discuss:
>> 
>> 1) Continue the discussion on the interrelation between
>> protocols, architectures and rights
>> 
>> 2) Enable broad community engagement in this discussion as was
>> discussed in Hawaii.
>> 
>> 3) Allow this discussion to happen before politicization related
>> to human rights and the Internet occurs.
>> 
>> 4) Discuss methods for doing the work.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> 
>> On 23-Jan-15 08:31, Eggert, Lars wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On 2015-1-23, at 14:21, Avri Doria <[e-mail]
>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>> I don't know whether it is a BoF or there is some other
>>>> designation
>> for an IRTF session for a 'RG in possible formation.'  In any
>> case, following up on the interest in the SAAG session, and
>> afterwards, we (Joana, Niels and I) would like to request such a
>> session.
>>> 
>>> I'm happy to have that discussion. I do note that we will need
>>> to
>> conclude this in the next few days, because scheduling for rooms
>> for Dallas will begin.
>>> 
>>>> At the end of the requested session, the goal would be to
>>>> discuss the
>> formation of a RG.
>>> 
>>> That's not quite how I handle this in the IRTF. For folks that
>>> come
>> with an idea for a new RG, I'm willing to give them meeting rooms
>> at IETF meetings for a year, and (if they like) have the meeting
>> listed on the agenda as a "proposed RG" meeting. (It is also
>> possible to have some of these meetings off the agenda, i.e.,
>> with invitations handled by the proponents of the group.) The
>> instructions to the proponents are basically "go and pretend you
>> are an RG", in other words, invite the people you want to invite,
>> have the discussions you want to have and don't worry about the
>> charter text.
>>> 
>>> After that year has passed, I sit down with the proponents, the
>>> IRSG
>> and IAB and we discuss if the proposed group is off to a good
>> start.
>>> 
>>> The reason I'm doing it this way is that I've seen to many new
>>> RGs in
>> the past focus on charter text, get it perfect and then die on
>> the starting line because of lack of energy or lack of community
>> building by the proponents. So I've decided to front-load that,
>> and fine tune the charter afterwards.
>>> 
>>> Of course you will need some sort of text to explain the group
>>> to new
>> people, so they can determine if it's for them, but it doesn't
>> need to be as formal as a charter.
>>> 
>>> So:
>>> 
>>> * what kind of meeting do you want to hold in Dallas (on the
>>> agenda,
>> or off)
>>> 
>>> * do you have a mailing list?
>>> 
>>> * do you have a group of people with energy to make the group
>> successful?
>>> 
>>> * do you have some description of the group? (below is an OK
>>> start)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> But we would like to make it substantive and include the
>>>> following
>> discussion items:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Continue the discussion on the interrelation between
>>>> protocols,
>> architectures and rights
>>>> 
>>>> 2) Enable broad community engagement in this discussion as
>>>> was
>> discussed in Hawaii.
>>>> 
>>>> 3) Allow this discussion to happen before politicization
>>>> related to
>> human rights and the Internet occurs.
>>>> 
>>>> A major premise of our research goals is future-proofing
>>>> protocols in
>> relation to their effect on human rights. If we can discover a
>> reliable set of considerations, we may avoid needing to fix as
>> many protocols retroactively going forward. We believe that our
>> goal, consistent with RFC1958, is for the Internet to continue to
>> serve as a tool enabling connectivity among all people. Attacks
>> on the Internet's ability to do this are increasing and
>> worrisome.
>>>> 
>>>> I think we could use a full session for the discussion, but
>>>> one of
>> the shorter slots would probably work.
>>> 
>>> If you want an "on the agenda" meeting, you need to determine
>>> how many
>> hours it should be (1h, 1.5h, 2h, 2.5h) and you need to determine
>> your list of conflicts with other RGs and WGs.
>>> 
>>> If you want an "off the agenda" meeting, those are not
>>> scheduled in
>> parallel to WG and RG sessions, so it would need to be breakfast,
>> lunch or evening time.
>>> 
>>>> Lars, please let us know of any specific information you need
>>>> or
>> specific steps you would like us to take in following up on this
>> request.
>>> 
>>> See above.
>>> 
>>>> We would also be intersted in hearing from the list as to
>>>> other
>> things that might be worth adding to the such a discussion so
>> that we can adjust the proposed 'agenda' to suit. Optimally we
>> can evolve from the 3 of us trying to get this going to a group
>> working on moving it forward.  But time was getting late for
>> requesting a slot and we felt we needed to get this moving.
>>> 
>>> Heads up: I may not make it to Dallas for personal reasons. I
>>> should
>> know for sure in a few weeks. But since we're not deciding on the
>> formal chartering of the group in Dallas, that's OK. I will be
>> able to go to your future meetings.
>>> 
>>> Lars
>>> 
> 
> 
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