Re: [hrpc] re models for human rights guidelines

Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net> Mon, 03 May 2021 14:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hrpc] re models for human rights guidelines
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The extensive reasoning and discussions on this, as well as many of the choices made in draft-guidelines and draft-association, can be found in the archives of this list. 

On 03-05-2021 16:02, Sandra Braman wrote:
> Thanks, Niels, but my question is what the reasoning was, not what the assertion was.
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>     Please educate me, someone (everyone) -- What was the thinking of this group behind not using RFC 3552 as a model?
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>     Thanks --
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>     Sandra Braman
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>     Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 11:28:08 +0200
>     Subject: Re: [hrpc] hrpc guidelines
>     Hi Sandra,
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>     As laid out in RFC 8280 and in the charter of hrpc, we based the guidelines on RFC 6973.
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>     Best,
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>     Niels
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>     On 02-05-2021 21:56, Sandra Braman wrote:
>     > Please educate me, someone (everyone) -- What was the thinking of this group behind not using RFC 3552 as a model?
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>     > Thanks --
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>     > Sandra Braman
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>     >     A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>     >     This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG of the IRTF.
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>     >             Title           : Guidelines for Human Rights Protocol and Architecture Considerations
>     >             Authors         : Gurshabad Grover
>     >                               Niels ten Oever
>     >             Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt
>     >             Pages           : 31
>     >             Date            : 2021-05-02
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>     >     Abstract:
>     >        This document sets guidelines for human rights considerations for
>     >        developers working on network protocols and architectures, similar to
>     >        the work done on the guidelines for privacy considerations [RFC6973].
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>     >     Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 19:40:53 +0200
>     >     Subject: [hrpc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines-08.txt
>     >     Hi all,
>     >
>     >     A new day, a new version :)
>     >
>     >     I had a some extra time and did a full re-read of both the document and the list. I integrated some more suggestions and found more typos.
>     >
>     >     Looking forward to hear what you all think.
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>     >     Best,
>     >
>     >     Niels
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>     >     Name:           draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines
>     >     Revision:       08
>     >     Title:          Guidelines for Human Rights Protocol and Architecture Considerations
>     >     Document date:  2021-05-02
>     >     Group:          hrpc
>     >     Pages:          31
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>     >     Abstract:
>     >        This document sets guidelines for human rights considerations for
>     >        developers working on network protocols and architectures, similar to
>     >        the work done on the guidelines for privacy considerations [RFC6973].
>     >        This is an updated version of the guidelines for human rights
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