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Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Wed, 12 July 2017 19:42 UTC

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To: Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org>
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From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-00.txt
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Hi Niels,


On 7/6/17 10:43 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> Hi Eliot,
>
> On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 03:15:53PM +0200, Eliot Lear wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It seems to me that the most interesting assertion in the draft is that
>> the IETF are not protocol police.  
>> [...]
> Should I conclude from this that you think that because the IETF does not have total control, it has no responsibilities whatsoever?

Quite the opposite!  In the draft, you made an assertion, perhaps as an
aside, that the IETF are not protocol police, the inference being based
on our statements again and again that these are voluntary
community-driven standards.  My point is to question just how and when
they really are "voluntary" .  Indeed if we conclude that some standards
are LESS voluntary than we think they are, then we have commensurately
MORE responsibilities.  But the formulation of this concept of
"voluntary" should be well examined before we go too far down that line,
and this additional step would be a good day's work in and of itself.

Eliot

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