Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on draft-irtf-hrpc-research-07
"Bless, Roland (TM)" <roland.bless@kit.edu> Tue, 10 January 2017 15:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on draft-irtf-hrpc-research-07
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Hi, > There are some inaccuracies with the vocabulary section and I have > several comments for section 4. I'll come back to that later in more detail. Here we go... Since other work prevented me to follow the hrpc list closely in the last weeks, I apologize for repeating some comments that others already made. Abstract: --------- IMHO the abstract should not start with a "list of sections" it provides. It should rather start with the main issue of providing considerations on human rights in protocols (or protocol design), comprising proposals for consideration guidelines, vocabulary, and a description of the methodology as well as a coarse literature review. Introduction: ------------- I find it a bit confusing to directly start with citations without setting the context first, so probably move the citations somewhere into the text, where they fit. In a broader sense, protocols touch also other values, not only human rights. So probably, a short motivation should be given, why this draft/RG concentrates on human rights. While the draft talks a lot about human rights, it doesn't list a few of them as examples (e.g., at least those used later in section 4). Therefore, I propose to extend the vocabulary and also define "human rights" there (it's ok to list some of them and repeat the references for further details...). Typo: "This has led to an broad" -> "This has led to a broad" "The purpose of the Internet to be a global network of networks that provides unfettered connectivity to all users and for any content [RFC1958]." -> I couldn't find this statement in RFC 1958. (general comment: please be more accurate when you cite documents, this also applies to several other places, esp. in the vocabulary, see below). RFC 1958 talks about connectivity as a goal of the Internet architecture, but doesn't mention "unfettered connectivity to all users and for any content". "Additionally, access to information gives people access to knowledge..." -> probably qualify this by using "generally accessible information" or "freely available information" (some information on the Internet isn't freely accessible or available for all on purpose). "In order to do this it is crucial that the rights impacts are clearly documented in order to mitigate the potential harm in a proportional way." -> I find this statement problematic. Sometimes the impacts are complicated since several rights may be affected at once. Moreover, how to actually balance between conflicts isn't clear at all sometimes. So I don't know what "mitigate the potential harm in a _proportional way_" actually means nor how to achieve it... Vocabulary: ----------- "Authenticity" -> while other security terms are taken from RFC 4949, this one isn't (any other reference for this particular definition?). Usually Authenticity includes data integrity as defined in RFC4949 (just stating that it is strongly linked with integrity is IMHO a bit too weak). Censorship isn't defined but used in the definition of Censorship resistance. Confidentiality: the definition isn't correct (unintended -> unauthorized) and also isn't taken literally from RFC 4949 although referenced... better replace it with the definition from RFC4949. End-to-End: - Typo "principal -> principle" - This definition here mixes "end-to-end transparency" issues with the "end-to-end argument in systems design" (the Saltzer, Reed, Clark paper). I think it is indeed clearer to separate the two (see also https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2775 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4924).
- [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on draft-… avri doria
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Jeanette Hofmann
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Jeanette Hofmann
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… avri doria
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Roland Bless
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… S Moonesamy
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… avri doria
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… S Moonesamy
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… bzs
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Bless, Roland (TM)
- Re: [hrpc] Human Rights Research Group Call on dr… Niels ten Oever