Re: [hrpc] draft-association

[Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]>]

Hi Wendy,

Thanks for the review! Please allow me to respond in-line:

On 07/14/2018 07:32 PM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:
> On 07/11/2018 06:42 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> 
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tenoever-hrpc-association-05
> 
> My difficulty with this document is that it seems to be a collection of
> ideas loosely associated with association (pardon the pun), not all of
> which implicate the human right to freedom of association). The use
> cases don't seem to me to strike the right level of abstraction.
> 

This level of abstraction was used to show the relation between a
specific right and a number of uses, without mapping the specific uses
exhaustively. While RFC8280 was used to link human rights in general
with Internet protocols, this draft aims to link a specific right with
several uses and thus help the conceptual framing of the relation
between human rights beyond freedom of expression and privacy.

> So I might first focus either on a concrete associational use case (not
> a technology, but "people getting together to organize a protest") or at
> the other end, enumerating features critical to enabling association,
> such as privacy, authentication, integrity protection, confidentiality,
> etc.
> 

We try to do the latter through the application of
draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines to specific drafts and protocols, and I think
these technical features are outlined there, if you think they are not,
I think we should add them there.

> I do think there is a core value to thinking about what "association"
> offers that's different from other more typical frames such as privacy,
> security, or free expression. Along with multi-party confidentiality, it
> could also drive a focus on usability and failure-modes -- since a
> multi-party communication is only as secure as its weakest-security
> party, and different groups might want to make different choices about
> what happens when a particular link fails.

Is this perhaps something we could add to 6.1 in general or one of the
examples described under that heading?

Best,

Niels



> 
> Hope this helps,
> --Wendy
> 

-- 
Niels ten Oever
Researcher and PhD Candidate
Datactive Research Group
University of Amsterdam

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