Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie protocol (was Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-04.txt)
Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> Wed, 24 February 2010 17:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie protocol (was Re: I-D Action:draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-04.txt)
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote: > As others have stated, without a definition of "new protocol that operates > over HTTP" this doesn't work. It's also problematic to put > BCP14-requirements on spec writers :-) > > For instance, do you consider WebDAV or AtomPub "protocols that operate over > HTTP"? If they > > Don't get me wrong; it would be good to discourage use of cookies, but this > would need to come with more text, outlining the alternatives. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote: > I look forward to the more exciting XHTML2 phase of our Working Group, but > perhaps we should wait until we actually have a good replacement before we > tell people to stop using what works today. :) > Doesn't "NOT RECOMMENDED" effectively give a SHOULD-level requirement not to > use any of the spec we are developing, and furthermore one that is likely to > be almost totally ignored? That seems like two good reasons to omit that > statement, at least if it is framed as a conformance statement. Ok. I've removed this requirement. I've also changed the sentence in the abstract to [[ The cookie protocol has many historical infelicities that degrade its security and privacy. ]] How do folks feel about this related statement in Security Considerations: [[ <t>For applications that use the cookie protocol, servers SHOULD NOT rely upon cookies for security.</t> ]] Adam
- [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie prot… Adam Barth
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Blake Frantz
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Adam Barth
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Adam Barth
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Julian Reschke
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Adam Barth
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … David Morris
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Adam Barth
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … David Morris
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Adam Barth
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … David Morris
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Adam Barth
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Adam Barth
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [http-state] Whether to recommend the cookie … Achim Hoffmann