Re: [httpapi] Francesca Palombini's Yes on draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-08: (with COMMENT)

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Subject: Re: [httpapi] Francesca Palombini's Yes on draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-08: (with COMMENT)
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Darrel and I will be meeting Friday.  We know many folks don’t have experience with IESG reviews, so we’ll be figuring out what to tell people about handling them.

From: Herbert Van de Sompel <hvdsomp@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 2:51 AM
To: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Cc: "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.org>, Rich Salz <rsalz@akamai.com>, HTTP APIs Working Group <httpapi@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset@ietf.org>, "httpapi-chairs@ietf.org" <httpapi-chairs@ietf.org>, Herbert Van de Sompel <hvdsomp@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [httpapi] Francesca Palombini's Yes on draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-08: (with COMMENT)

Dear Francesca,

In order to be able to continue the work on the linkset I-D, I would like to ask for some guidance:

* In his DISCUSS review, Benjamin Kaduk seems to express a different opinion than yours regarding how to handle the downrefs vis-a-vis another Last Call (or not); he asks the IESG to discuss the matter. Am I correct to assume that there is nothing we as authors can do to address this issue?

* In the same review, Benjamin also correctly points out an error with a Content-Length in an example, which must be corrected. Other reviewers have provided some comments that would be good to address as a means to improve the document quality. Do we start a new version of the I-D in the HTTPAPI Github repository for that purpose? And will that then automatically mean another Last Call?

Greetings

Herbert Van de Sompel

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 3:11 PM Francesca Palombini via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org<mailto:noreply@ietf.org>> wrote:
Francesca Palombini has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-httpapi-linkset-08: Yes

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Lars rightfully noted that two Downref (not in the downref registry) escaped
the IETF Last Call automatically generated text:

  ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 6906
   [RFC6906]  Wilde, E., "The 'profile' Link Relation Type", RFC 6906,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC6906, March 2013,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6906<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6906__;!!GjvTz_vk!Dwc1Fxcodq8nMC1-qk7NYXZDP_QATTMyzF-rnoVdlZj7Dd_CPs3XioWSmIL7$>>.

  ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 7284
   [RFC7284]  Lanthaler, M., "The Profile URI Registry", RFC 7284,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC7284, June 2014,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7284<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7284__;!!GjvTz_vk!Dwc1Fxcodq8nMC1-qk7NYXZDP_QATTMyzF-rnoVdlZj7Dd_CPs3XipRIwjJm$>>.

In conformance with https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc8067.html<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc8067.html__;!!GjvTz_vk!Dwc1Fxcodq8nMC1-qk7NYXZDP_QATTMyzF-rnoVdlZj7Dd_CPs3XiimduSDA$>, I believe there is
no need for starting another LC for the document including these references,
and I ask the rest of the IESG to pay particular attention to the
appropriateness of these two downward references, as part of their IESG
evaluation.



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