Re: Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-httpbis-bcp56bis-14: (with COMMENT)

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Thu, 26 August 2021 07:07 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-http-wg-request+bounce-httpbisa-archive-bis2juki=lists.ie@listhub.w3.org>
X-Original-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB0F3A10E4 for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 00:07:29 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.997
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=U9XdtrbO; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=qrvY00uo
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rUmOKzlSjQPU for <ietfarch-httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 00:07:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lyra.w3.org (lyra.w3.org [128.30.52.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BD253A10E8 for <httpbisa-archive-bis2Juki@lists.ietf.org>; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 00:07:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lists by lyra.w3.org with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <ietf-http-wg-request@listhub.w3.org>) id 1mJ9Th-00079s-V4 for ietf-http-wg-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 07:07:10 +0000
Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 07:07:09 +0000
Resent-Message-Id: <E1mJ9Th-00079s-V4@lyra.w3.org>
Received: from titan.w3.org ([128.30.52.76]) by lyra.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <mnot@mnot.net>) id 1mJ9Tf-000796-5S for ietf-http-wg@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 07:07:07 +0000
Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.25]) by titan.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <mnot@mnot.net>) id 1mJ9Td-0000ic-Fj for ietf-http-wg@w3.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 07:07:07 +0000
Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B0D320076F; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:06:53 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:06:53 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm3; bh=0 NOyCeGtK5ETPF1mcxlZWVwMA5Mdolc3QWmsUVEAPwE=; b=U9XdtrbO0enPi1LeO SppdTEe5FkzJLt3oYts6cW4+JCY6fAGhVma9uvXtenYc6EL6jbKiZTtzhJvfABKt YnLP+Ry/tmYGZE/RSmNFxOth72NhACvM/Px7d8ZAeCKX2pdY1y0P7bGUQwfKRabN g8cJh9CsaA1KRbrWtw0g7PvBhbHQLIebJ1lQrK4jvN5KoEynWoF2tXwoPe9LAaI7 eHywlfFn8FGizSiGWLJU0XP60LmCHjDeWFgbIXO9atQMoKhvw3mcGc0oRMjYF8IK iSB/ixm3g6naCvyu6dgOWOfBRekAKqhFx45QLul9vqe9wCGu89oDe6E3rYZ7O7TJ FpSQg==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=0NOyCeGtK5ETPF1mcxlZWVwMA5Mdolc3QWmsUVEAP wE=; b=qrvY00uoSp6Y3f/wCsnUu724BZjeytfWeCJkk8oLEkSscF925g9q46HON vD/rZB2fNUYfUTdEgNd3Y/ERuMUq7ClVML2HpZ5k0XhpxiE376Yzzq9Ud/VWjUpG fhBOJ1B96+gh/PUwsgTsj0S6SH+gWOyKLs8fJowRPuNzKPN1kDso+vKOUdU7nK4t tp4Z8exU/iCqRtQK9zb7arAc0Gsyq8tp14AjtBw0vC35n8uobxM3z4LnxVVjsagv hDa9YO1qV7nyha4jRLn/SsUKcLIfYXXToY9AN1+92y10WsSR4TzEi04Pjv7bTgPs jOJcErBLMw/8NSNbl9ozhkvTy8a5g==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:iT0nYRETnTrikJDQa9WPAYu9v1xuaKMlAMQoERNM8pdl_qw8jnxlQg> <xme:iT0nYWWApK1z9Sw6uAAtSrbBG0PLfNavDsD7uxgsJCY3rb8-udOBVFE0x7QZKOZd9 ZjDjRaAGkEYGMjsOQ>
X-ME-Received: <xmr:iT0nYTLB4aSduypw4p1HDfTiM8a1_2IYxSWGeuL02HWjVDlZoeSepgzbcgfI30U5sVO7WIBwas66ubzV0AOEpI5yN1OTub9QJyHbqXcMV39I4aBTC8n3nDqS>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddruddutddgudduiecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtddvnecuhfhrohhmpeforghr khcupfhothhtihhnghhhrghmuceomhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrth htvghrnhepleffvdeuveffffekgefgffeugeehleekkeetjeelhfelkeevkeduieeivedv tefgnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgihhthhhusgdrtghomhdpmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecuvehluh hsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhnohhtsehmnhho thdrnhgvth
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:iT0nYXGarcKVCvY_95JzH8H9S8bJpcXMybglnRvWsABvpafoVYh2jA> <xmx:iT0nYXUMHHeIQs8oHrM3que2RpIxuxhw8mX7bm40ZIoUxBIUaYegug> <xmx:iT0nYSMI5Vyvo9lx4g5SAaz1yRHfSr_7SC2hHlEp2Nc9lN9LX7zMFg> <xmx:jD0nYZJeKctUjKG7D5d6UZM95Jt5L3L6wQMzqkDhexpOy5qbKZJ1Tw>
Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 03:06:48 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\))
From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
In-Reply-To: <63075850-4643-4940-86D2-BA0B534D5E06@cisco.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 17:06:46 +1000
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com>, Piotr Sikora <piotrsikora@google.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <C34AE800-98DB-4259-8292-6C13FCDEFB48@mnot.net>
References: <162990318324.2218.17280829751439624772@ietfa.amsl.com> <C3822F7C-2F6F-495D-9148-172FB0EDF4A4@mnot.net> <63075850-4643-4940-86D2-BA0B534D5E06@cisco.com>
To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13)
Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.25; envelope-from=mnot@mnot.net; helo=wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com
X-W3C-Hub-DKIM-Status: validation passed: (address=mnot@mnot.net domain=mnot.net), signature is good
X-W3C-Hub-DKIM-Status: validation passed: (address=mnot@mnot.net domain=messagingengine.com), signature is good
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8
X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_IRR=-3, W3C_WL=-1
X-W3C-Scan-Sig: titan.w3.org 1mJ9Td-0000ic-Fj 37a2ea41570a15cdf31ebf66cca785ea
X-Original-To: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-httpbis-bcp56bis-14: (with COMMENT)
Archived-At: <https://www.w3.org/mid/C34AE800-98DB-4259-8292-6C13FCDEFB48@mnot.net>
Resent-From: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
X-Mailing-List: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> archive/latest/39284
X-Loop: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Resent-Sender: ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org
Precedence: list
List-Id: <ietf-http-wg.w3.org>
List-Help: <https://www.w3.org/Mail/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-http-wg-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>


> On 26 Aug 2021, at 4:23 pm, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com> wrote:
> 
>> -- Section 2 --
>> I am puzzled by the wording " The requirements in this document" in this BCP...
>> Should it rather be "The applicability of this document..." ?
> 
>    That would result in a construction like 'the applicability of this document is scoped to applications' which is a bit odd.
> 
> EV> "applicability" will not fly but I still think that "the requirements in this documents" does not fit a BCP. What about a last try "The recommendations in this document apply when..." ?

Excellent. See <https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/commit/edd7ac7f1>.


>> The following bullet list is unclear whether it is a "OR" or a "AND".
> 
>    Each entry (excepting the last) explicitly contains the word 'or'.
> 
> EV> indeed... it looks like that I may need new glasses ...

I am familiar with that feeling...

Cheers,


--
Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/