Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-Length?
Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com> Tue, 14 February 2017 23:17 UTC
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From: Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com>
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Subject: Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-Length?
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On 02/14/2017 03:54 PM, Adrien de Croy wrote: > I have no problem with the concept of adding a rule that states that > > objects labelled as weighing 5T MUST weigh 5T or the label is > incorrect/invalid. Thinking of Content-Length as a packaging label gets you into the very trap you want to escape: Yes, rules for labeling accuracy would be fine, but Content-Length (in relevant contexts) is _not_ a label! Content-Length does not merely document weight that you can independently measure and validate. Content-Length _is_ weight. Alex. > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Alex Rousskov" <rousskov@measurement-factory.com> > To: "ietf-http-wg@w3.org" <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> > Cc: "Adrien de Croy" <adrien@qbik.com> > Sent: 15/02/2017 11:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-Length? > >> On 02/14/2017 02:12 PM, Adrien de Croy wrote: >> >>> I did quote that section, but it doesn't define what an invalid C-L is. >> >> The term "valid" in that section means "syntactically correct". 123 is >> valid. 0x123 is not. 0123 is valid unless the recipient is paranoid. >> >> >>> Nowhere does it explicitly state that C-L value must equal the body >>> size >>> in order to be valid. >> >> You are correct. The message framing rules (3.3.3.1-5) establish that >> C-L value and body length are the same concept (for the applicable cases >> where C-L value is used for framing and only for those cases). >> >> In other words, one should not add a "C-L value MUST match the body >> length" or "the body length MUST match the C-L value" rule because the >> body length _is_ the C-L value (for the applicable cases). Adding such a >> rule would be like saying "an object with a weight of 5 tons MUST weigh >> 5 tons". >> >> >> HTH, >> >> Alex. >> >> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Loïc Hoguin" <essen@ninenines.eu> >>> To: "Adrien de Croy" <adrien@qbik.com>; "ietf-http-wg@w3.org" >>> <ietf-http-wg@w3.org> >>> Sent: 15/02/2017 10:05:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-Length? >>> >>>> On 02/14/2017 09:49 PM, Adrien de Croy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The language in RFC 7230 section 3.3.2 is extremely non-commital >>>>> about >>>>> whether Content-Length needs to be correct or not. >>>>> >>>>> I'm currently having a dispute about this with someone who quoted >>>>> these >>>>> sections at me as being proof that you can use any value for C-L >>>>> regardless of the body length. >>>>> >>>>> I think it could be a lot more forcefully written >>>>> >>>>> Or is the person correct and we don't need to have C-L match the body >>>>> length? >>>> >>>> It sounds pretty explicit to me: >>>> >>>> 4. If a message is received without Transfer-Encoding and with >>>> either multiple Content-Length header fields having differing >>>> field-values or a single Content-Length header field having an >>>> invalid value, then the message framing is invalid and the >>>> recipient MUST treat it as an unrecoverable error. If this >>>> is a >>>> request message, the server MUST respond with a 400 (Bad >>>> Request) >>>> status code and then close the connection. >>>> >>>> If it's both invalid and required for handling the request, send a 400 >>>> and close the connection. >>>> >>>> I suppose the spec allows you to have an invalid Content-Length if and >>>> only if the request also has a Transfer-Encoding header, however: >>>> >>>> If a message is received with both a Transfer-Encoding and a >>>> Content-Length header field, the Transfer-Encoding overrides >>>> the >>>> Content-Length. Such a message might indicate an attempt to >>>> perform request smuggling (Section 9.5) or response splitting >>>> (Section 9.4) and ought to be handled as an error. >>>> >>>> So sending a 400 and closing does not sound crazy even in that case, >>>> despite the spec not requiring it. >>>> >>>> -- Loïc Hoguin >>>> https://ninenines.eu >>> >> >
- Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-Leng… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Loïc Hoguin
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- RE: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Mike Bishop
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Jason T. Greene
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Jacob Champion
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Willy Tarreau
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Alex Rousskov
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Jacob Champion
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Alex Rousskov
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Jacob Champion
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Alex Rousskov
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Alex Rousskov
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Adrien de Croy
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Alex Rousskov
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Willy Tarreau
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Cory Benfield
- Re: Sections 3.3.2 and 3.3.3 allow bogus Content-… Patrick McManus