Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-content-disp-02
Adam Barth <w3c@adambarth.com> Sat, 02 October 2010 22:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-content-disp-02
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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote: > On 02.10.2010 18:16, Adam Barth wrote: >> >> This document appears to be insufficiently precise for user agents to >> implement Content-Disposition. In particular, it does not >> disambiguate what filename a user agent should use if multiple >> filename attributes are present.... > > Repeating a parameter makes the header instance invalid, this should be > pointed out; I opened > <http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/244> to track this (and > also added a test case at > <http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc2231/#attwith2filenames>). There seems to be a lot of things generated by the grammar that are nonsensical. Perhaps it would useful to explain which of those things servers ought to actually generate. >> ... The grammar will fail to parse a >> large number of Content-Disposition headers user agents receive on the >> public Internet, etc.... > > That's not a problem. There are no specific requirements on handling > malformed headers, just like with any other HTTP header field, unless it > affects security. We disagree about whether that's a problem. We do agree that those requirements are not contained in this document. >> ... The document says: >> >> [[ >> Based on interoperability >> testing with existing User Agents, it fully defines a profile of the >> features defined in the Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) >> variant ([RFC2183]) of the header field >> ]] >> >> We should either add enough detail to the document to allow for user >> agent implementations or clarify that this document is intended to >> apply only to servers. For example, we could change the above >> paragraph to the following: >> >> [[ >> Based on interoperability testing with existing User Agents, it >> defines a profile >> for use by HTTP servers of the >> features defined in the Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) >> variant ([RFC2183]) of the header field >> ]] >> ... > > I don't understand the distinction between user agent and server here. This document describes a profile for generating the Content-Disposition header. The server is the one who generates the header. Therefore, this document defines a profile for use by servers. > We are defining a response header field. The producer sets it, expressing > additional instructions on how to handle the payload. The recipient can > follow it or ignore it. For instance, a UA on a mobile phone without > filesystem will likely ignore the "attachment" disposition. Indeed. However, this document does not contain the rules for consuming the header in sufficient detail for me to implement a user agent. I need to look at another document for that information. Sadly, that document doesn't yet exist. > For invalid header field instances, there aren't any specific requirements. > Do you have any evidence these are required? Such information is required to achieve interoperable implementations of the Content-Disposition header. It's fine if you don't want to include that information in this document. The document should just be clear about its scope. Adam
- Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-conte… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Group L… Julian Reschke
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Julian Reschke
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Adam Barth
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… David Morris
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Julian Reschke
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Julian Reschke
- treating invalid parameters in Content-Disposition Julian Reschke
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Adam Barth
- Re: treating invalid parameters in Content-Dispos… Adam Barth
- Re: treating invalid parameters in Content-Dispos… Julian Reschke
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Adam Barth
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Julian Reschke
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Adam Barth
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Julian Reschke
- %encoding in filename parameters. Re: repeated fi… Julian Reschke
- Re: treating invalid parameters in Content-Dispos… Adam Barth
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Julian Reschke
- Re: treating invalid parameters in Content-Dispos… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Adam Barth
- Re: treating invalid parameters in Content-Dispos… Adam Barth
- Re: treating invalid parameters in Content-Dispos… Eric J. Bowman
- Re: treating invalid parameters in Content-Dispos… Adam Barth
- Re: repeated filename parameters, Re: Working Gro… Julian Reschke
- Re: treating invalid parameters in Content-Dispos… Eric J. Bowman
- detecting support for percent encoding in C-D, wa… Julian Reschke
- Re: detecting support for percent encoding in C-D… William A. Rowe Jr.
- Re: detecting support for percent encoding in C-D… Julian Reschke
- Re: detecting support for percent encoding in C-D… Julian Reschke
- Re: Working Group Last Call: draft-ietf-httpbis-c… Mark Nottingham