ALPS and TLS 1.3 half-RTT data

David Benjamin <davidben@chromium.org> Thu, 03 December 2020 21:58 UTC

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Hi TLS and HTTP friends,

At the last HTTPWG interim, there was a question of why one would want
something like ALPS (draft-vvv-tls-alps) for HTTP SETTINGS
(draft-vvv-httpbis-alps) over TLS 1.3 half-RTT data. I know we've also had
some discussion on this topic in the TLSWG as well. At the HTTP meeting,
folks suggested writing up what a half-RTT-based mechanism might look like,
so I put together an I-D below. I hope it helps clarify some of our
thinking.

(The I-D is not meant for adoption or publication or anything. I figured an
I-D was probably the most familiar format for folks.)

David

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A new version of I-D, draft-davidben-tls-alps-half-rtt-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by David Benjamin and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:           draft-davidben-tls-alps-half-rtt
Revision:       00
Title:          Comparing ALPS and Half-RTT Data
Document date:  2020-12-03
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          11
URL:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-davidben-tls-alps-half-rtt-00.txt
Status:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-davidben-tls-alps-half-rtt/
Html:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-davidben-tls-alps-half-rtt-00.html
Htmlized:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-davidben-tls-alps-half-rtt-00


Abstract:
   This document compares the Application Layer Protocols Settings
   extension with the half-RTT feature in TLS 1.3.




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