[Hubmib] Preliminary Minutes of the SLC Hubmib Meeting

["Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <[e-mail]>]

Please find attached the preliminary minutes of the SLC hubmib meeting.
Please send your comments and corrections, before I submit these. Thanks
to KC for the diligent note taking work.

Also, presenters are required to send their presentations to
[e-mail], for inclusion in the proceedings.

Regards,

Dan

HUBMIB WG  IETF 52,  Salt Lake City
Monday afternoon session II
Notes
K.C. - Minutes taker
Dan Romascanu  discussion leader

The agenda from the main agenda link is invalid.  IETF isn't concerned.
The real hubmib agenda can be found at:
http://www.ietf.org/ietf/01dec/hubmib.txt

*	IEEE 802.3 Status Report
*	two IEEE meetings since London
*	802.ae 
*	draft 34 in ballot between 11/17 and 12/3
*	Sponsor Ballot to follow
*	Standard expected 3/02 and 6/02
*	802.3af
*	D3.0 in Ballot between 11/16 & 12/30
*	Standard expected between 9/02 and 11/02
*	Standard slightly behind time
*	Changes expected
*	802.3ah  (Ethernet first mile)
*	WG formed - 9/01
*	Four tracks:
*	·        Fiber p2p
*	·        Copper p2p
*	·        Fiber p2mp
*	·        OAM
*	Far from IETF involved still too early in IEEE
*	RFC’s
*	1515 - should be obsolete by 2668 - was not.
*	2108
*	2665
*	2666
*	2668
*	Confusion is there due to duplication of rfc’s.
*	Next rfc on MAU mib will obsolete 1515 and 2668
*	Need implementation reports.
*	Enterasys wanted some issues answered before they implement
implementation
*	reports.
*	Would be nice to get implementation reports of where
*	John Flick - Problems with hardware help decide that
non-essential items will not be discussed.

	*	Etherlike MIBS
			o	What do we do with the test oids now
that the table is gone? - Deprecate?
			o	What about multiple manager stations? 
			o	rfc1229 Interfaces extensions
mib->rfc1273->deprecated for no implementations.  We now have test oids
not in use.  Recommended to deprecate and start a loopback test object.
Will post new object to mailing list.
			o	Is the IFMTU clear.  Someone requested
clarification to this, but it seems clear.  It was decided that the
person who doesn’t understand it to give example.  It was decided to
leave as is until the person can produce the info.
			o	IfAdminStatus (down) needs to be
clarified  Mike Mcfadden brought up the issue in the bridge wg where
multiple vendors have multiple reactions to this.  Fiber was not tested.
There needs to be clarification needed from IEEE.  John will write text
to ask and Dan will make the request.
			o	issue on rfc1643 - 2 current versions of
the Ethernet mib. - do we move it to historic, full standard?  Should we
put in our current draft an explanation of why there are 2 drafts.  Some
vendors are using rfc1643 with private mibs.

	*	MAU MIB
			o	Some outstanding edits are still here.
There are some issues in the WIS MIB and SONET that will affect some
text.
			o	Some issues from the InterWorking labs
test summit may affect this.  We will have to wait until at least the
end of January to get its information. Do we wait? 
			o	Issues that could come up are
misunderstanding in the implementation? Some packets and octets that
could have misunderstanding.  It was decided to wait for the test
summit.
			o	Some SONET entry in the ifStackEntry
stackables issues.  This goes along with the WIS MIB work.  Where do we
do the clarification?  Decided we would discuss this in the WIS mib
meeting.
			o	discussed the implementation of the
auto-negotiation duplex info.  Some are implementing the MAU mib as is.
Others are implementing this in the private mibs due to being
cumbersome.  GBIC swap may only be partly relevant to the configuration.
Use a enumerated integer for setting? This is what some people are
doing.  John had posted to the wg how HP is doing their proprietary mib
as a suggestion.
			o	Forcing the autonegotiation down
configuration came up.  Once again, not having implementation reports to
review against doesn’t help solve the issue. We need more implementation
reports.  There are some vendors that have implemented the way as
written.
			o	Dan proposed that we do the updates to
the mib as posted previously by John as recommendation of the committee
and let people see it. Mike H. suggested some new oid’s written to help
out with this.  People could help by reviewing the jack type
enumeration.


			o	Power MIB
			o	latest draft published November 2001
			o	Misc spelling and compile warning errors
were noted.
			o	Changes resulting from
IEEEportPortPowerPairs object deleted.
			o	Delete off option of the power port
detection control object
			o	add new objects to powerdetectionstatus
object.
			o	delete powerportclassificationobject
			o	update naming of objects
			o	Reviewed some implementation notes from
PowerDsine that will be added to next version.
			o	The IETF document status is stable. We
don’t know what the IEEE is going to do. For this reason just respin the
draft and wait for the IEEE to go on.
			o	Last-call may happen in Feb 02 depending
on the IEEE.

The goal is to finish all for the IETF in Minneapolis. in March.

Goals and Milestones
Dec 01 - Gather implementation experience
Jan 02 - Issue revised drafts - Missed
Jan 02 - Forward drafts to AD/IESG - pushed to Feb.
Feb 02 - Last call in Feb.