Re: [hybi] -09: abstract and introduction
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Tue, 21 June 2011 03:43 UTC
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On 6/20/11 12:57 AM, Greg Wilkins wrote: > On 16 June 2011 07:10, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote: >> Section 1.1 has always struck me as strange. It sounds as if we're >> developing an IM protocol here! I suggest: >> >> Historically, creating Web applications that need bidirectional >> communication between a client and a server (e.g., instant messaging >> and gaming applications) has required an abuse of HTTP to poll the >> server for updates while sending upstream notifications as distinct >> HTTP calls. [RFC6202] > > > I don't think the usage of "abuse" can be justified. There is > nothing abusive about long polling and it is entirely legal HTTP. > Besides that is too much of a subjective reason. > > How about: > > Historically, creating Web applications that need bidirectional > communication between a client and a server (e.g., instant messaging > and gaming applications), has required the use of HTTP to poll or long > poll the server for updates. Such usage of HTTP is less efficient > and responsive > that what is possible with a TCP/IP connection. Sure. I tried to leave as much of the current text alone in my suggestion. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/
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