Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP Compliance

Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> Fri, 06 August 2010 09:00 UTC

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:01:22 +0100
From: Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP Compliance
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On Fri Aug  6 09:29:29 2010, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:24:48 +0200, Dave Cridland  
> <dave@cridland.net>  wrote:
>> On Fri Aug  6 09:11:43 2010, Adam Barth wrote:
>>> Also, the main advocates for a TLS+NPN based handshake (Maciej and
>>> myself) weren't present at the face-to-face meeting.  I don't see  
>>> that
>>> we've reached a rough consensus on this point at all.  I'm  
>>> certainly
>>> not as experienced in IETF process as Salvatore, but we seem to be
>>> jumping the gun here.
>> 
>> As I recall, EKR made the point that TLS+NPN has yet to go through  
>> the  standards process, so would be problematic from that  
>> standpoint.
>> 
>> It's not that anyone's arguing that it should be discarded, it's  
>> more  that for the foreseeable, we should concentrate on an HTTP  
>> Upgrade based  solution.
> 
> I'm not sure who EKR is, but WebSocket itself is also not through  
> the  process. :-)

Eric Rescorla. The guy who spoke reallyreallyfastwithnogaps. He's  
porbably the leading expert on TLS.

TLS+NPN has yet to enter the standards process, it's an individual  
contribution in draft status. We'd be looking at a delay to WS of at  
least a few months if we wanted to rely on this.

Dave.
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[hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP Comp… Salvatore Loreto
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Anne van Kesteren
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Adam Barth
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Dave Cridland
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Anne van Kesteren
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Maciej Stachowiak
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Dave Cridland
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Alexey Melnikov
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Adam Barth
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Mike Belshe
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Salvatore Loreto
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Adam Barth
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Willy Tarreau
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Adam Barth
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Willy Tarreau
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … S Moonesamy
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Eric Rescorla
Re: [hybi] Formal declaration of consensus: HTTP … Greg Wilkins