Re: [I2nsf] Request for Help for I2NSF WG Work

[Roman Danyliw <[e-mail]>]

Hi Paul and WG!

Thanks for your patience.

From: I2nsf <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:54 AM
To: Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>; Yoav Nir <[e-mail]>
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Subject: [I2nsf] Request for Help for I2NSF WG Work

Hi Linda and Yoav,

I would like to ask you as I2NSF WG chairs to help me to proceed with our I2NSF WG work.

Could you ask Roman to push the Capability Draft, NSF-Facing Interface Draft, and NSF Monitoring Draft into the IESG?

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability-data-model/

[Roman] Thanks for the substantial edits in -17 to -20 in response to my AD review.  I’m most of the way through a second review and would expect the share any blockers, if any, to IETF LC before IETF 112.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-facing-interface-dm/

[Roman] I see the additional edits -13 to 15 in response to my follow-up to the original AD review.  Thanks.  I plan to re-review -15 next.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model/

[Roman] I see the edits in -09 to -11 in response to my AD review.  This will be the last ones I review.

[Roman] I will commit to re-reviewing all three drafts no later than November 19th (given the upcoming IETF 112 meeting).


[snip]

BTW, as we had an interim meeting on December in 2020, my SKKU team are working for the Re-chartering of I2NSF WG,
including the Security Management Automation, Application Interface, and Security Policy Translation:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lingga-i2nsf-application-interface-dm/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yang-i2nsf-security-policy-translation/

I hope our I2NSF WG makes Re-chartering to work on those new work items
so that I2NSF framework and interfaces can be used in the industry.

[Roman] I strongly encourage continued WG discussion on the evolution of I2NSF.  However, I will repeat what I said in November 2020 (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/FBzpXwPUaY5PkcgvKpWnHAAanp4/) -- for me to support a re-charter, I would have to see a renewed demonstration of energy and support for these new items.  Such energy would include not only a demonstration of parties interested in working on the drafts themselves, but also additional (independent) parties volunteering to review these new drafts and some signal that there are parties (beyond the draft authors/organizations) willing to adopt (implement) this work.  This is demonstration is needed for any WG re-charter, but in particular for I2NSF, as I have concerns that energy has dropped in this WG below a threshold to take on new work.  Unless something radical changes, I see the WG continuing to steward the existing work items submitted to the IESG for publication, and then close when these work items are passed to the RFC Editor.

I acknowledge that assessing WG energy level is subjective so I’m basing my conclusion on the following:

** The WG has not convened at an official “F2F” IETF meeting since IETF 105 (July 2019) – well before the pandemic.  Since this last F2F meeting, there was a single interim meeting (in Dec 2020, almost a year ago) solely to talk about re-chartering (see next bullet).  I2NSF is again not meeting at IETF 112.

** Re-chartering has been brought up on the mailing list three separate times in the last year (to include at the interim meeting in 2020-12):
--  Nov 2020 thread -- https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/z-EIzlcrgURu6hLygbTxd4GsYW8/
-- Dec 2020 thread -- https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/emK5lGoG2PdBwMoVMB2ewlgYyTI/
-- Feb 2021 thread -- https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/5hQCJagFY29uL8FznfxHQmu6hB4/

In all instances, the follow-up to these threads generated almost not non-administrative discussion, and very little support.

** There is no organic discussion of new or existing I2NSF work on the mailing list.  A quick review of the last year (back to October 2010) shows the list traffic to be almost  exclusively from the co-chairs, document authors, IESG review, and LC feedback (to include directorate reviews).

Thanks,
Roman

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul
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