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From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
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Subject: Re: [I2nsf] IETF 114 I2NSF agenda uploaded
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Paul and Diego:

Let me know if you have time to chat.  If you are attending IETF in person, we can chat in-person.  The 4 authors for the BGP will be at IETF-14 in person (Mahesh, Sue, Keyur, Jeff).

If you are not attending in person, we’ll set-up a teleconference (zoom, etc.. )

Linda – We may be able to take this off the agenda.

Sue

From: Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
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Subject: Re: [I2nsf] IETF 114 I2NSF agenda uploaded

Hi, I totally concur with Paul here. We have some experience in applying RFC 9061 in different scenarios and would be more than happy to explore its applicability in this case as well. Be goode, -- &q
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Hi,

I totally concur with Paul here. We have some experience in applying RFC 9061 in different scenarios and would be more than happy to explore its applicability in this case as well.

Be goode,

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On 20/7/22, 17:38, "I2nsf on behalf of Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of jaehoon.paul@gmail.com<mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Sue,
I have much interest in your proposed item.
I think the following RFC 9061 can be used for the IPsec interface for BGP over IPsec.

- RFC 9061: A YANG Data Model for IPsec Flow Protection Based on Software-Defined Networking (SDN)
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9061<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=datatracker.ietf.org&t=h.eJxdjEsSgyAQBa9isU4xIEHElVdBGMTyg4WTjancPWGb7Xvd_WavsrGhYYnovAaA4MhRcX7FwhekyHOZIWQPifYNSvRWdJI9GrZW60D6_VLovrOyhSu5gtd4hDtxn3fQvdZ2MtGoYIzXaCcRRfStlE-0USPITvdKtcJarnStYq2GBefMC9_yifdIuGHMx-JdbVYoVOhv_nwBE_0-eQ.MEUCIQCBM5Hbx5OmP3peJJZHSuE1c2aOsq4lBCZsWt9uyjgQpAIgfP1mcFlpaH8BZEpe6DMQ97nhYOpTaYvP8m-d5PFAVKg>

We can regard BGP routers as NSFs, and we can run either IKE or IKE-less approach in RFC 9061.
We can also extend the approach in RFC 9061 so that it can accommodate BGP message exchanges
(e.g., AS-PATH and NEXT-HOP attributes).

I will investigate RFC 9061 more to see whether my comments are correct or not.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 8:55 PM Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com<mailto:shares@ndzh.com>> wrote:
Linda:

I apologize for being unclear.  We ran into a few problems with trying to complete the BGP Yang model in the area of IPsec links.   BGP runs over TCP over IPsec links in some scenarios.  When creating the modeling, it was unclear which Yang modules were targeted to support this feature.

What I need is advice from the I2NSF and the IPSECME on the place to ask for work additions to support BGP peers.

The scenario is between two BGP routers. The type of IPsec connections between BGP routers can be:

·         within a trusted cloud (same administrative domain, same trust cloud),

·         across a physically secure private link,

·         across the open Internet (where attacks happen).

The key is we want to configure and monitor the IPsec link.

As BGP co-authors looked at this, I did not understand which group to ask help from.  I volunteered to  ask for help.

If you or anyone can point me to where to go without taking valuable WG time, it would be great.  If you need me to explain more on email, I’d be glad to.

Rather than just pose this question from the Mike-line, I thought I’d ask ahead of time.

Cheers, sue

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Subject: RE: IETF 114 I2NSF agenda uploaded


Sue,

Are you talking about IPsec between two trusted nodes?
Something different from the IPsecme WG?

Linda

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Subject: RE: IETF 114 I2NSF agenda uploaded

Linda:

In the recharter discussion, is it appropriate to ask about specific items such as additions to ipsec work in I2NSF?
I do not have a draft for this work.

Sue

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Subject: [I2nsf] IETF 114 I2NSF agenda uploaded


I2NSF WG,

Here is the agenda for next week’s I2NSF session (Tuesday).

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Please let me know if I miss anything.

Thank you.
Linda
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