Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7776bis-02: (with DISCUSS)

Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> Wed, 04 September 2019 14:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7776bis-02: (with DISCUSS)
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Hi Magnus,

> On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>; wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Sorry, this discuss may have been a bit grumpy. Having not paid
> attention to the IASA 2.0 effort I don't understand the motivation for
> why the document is proposed to be published in this form. Applying
> these changes to RFC 7776 and submitting that a draft do looks rather
> straight forward, and adding a changes section pointing out the reason
> for the changes is all that should be needed. So what am I missing
> here? 

As with several other IASA2 drafts, the fear was that these documents would be difficult to republish without opening other substantive issues unrelated to the IASA 2.0 changes. We barely got 7437bis approved for this reason, for example. The approach for the IASA2 documents was decided long before the IESG began discussing the topics in draft-roach-bis-documents.

With 7776bis, there was some WG discussion about incorporating its text into draft-ietf-iasa2-consolidated-upd — which also takes the OLD/NEW approach and has been approved for publication — but the WG chose to leave it stand-alone. 7776bis involves slightly more complicated changes than the other documents that draft-ietf-iasa2-consolidated-upd deals with.

Best,
Alissa


> 
> Cheers
> 
> Magnus
> 
> On Wed, 2019-09-04 at 07:07 -0700, Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker
> wrote:
>> Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc7776bis-02: Discuss
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>> I don't understand why not a replacement for RFC7776 was produced
>> instead of
>> this soup that is not readable. Publishing this in this form is
>> providing very
>> mixed messages to the community where we (IESG) apparently are aiming
>> for
>> readability and ease of comparing older and newer documents, but
>> can't be
>> bothered to ensure that is produced when it comes to the process
>> documents.
>> Also RFC 7776 appears to be very self contained and with removal of
>> content
>> that will be even more true.
>> 
>> 
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> 
> Magnus Westerlund 
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