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Re: [Ice] [MMUSIC] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Wed, 04 April 2018 17:23 UTC

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Cc: Suhas Nandakumar <suhasietf@gmail.com>, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, mmusic WG <mmusic@ietf.org>, mmusic-chairs@ietf.org, "ice@ietf.org" <ice@ietf.org>, Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com>, "rtcweb@ietf.org" <rtcweb@ietf.org>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-mmusic-trickle-ice-sip@ietf.org
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> On Apr 4, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com> wrote:
> 
> On 4/3/18 2:41 PM, Suhas Nandakumar wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com
>> <mailto:ben@nostrum.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 3, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com <mailto:stpeter@mozilla.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 4/3/18 12:27 PM, Suhas Nandakumar wrote:
>>>> Just to complete, ice-bis doesn’t normatively reference ice-sip-SDP
>>>> draft when it moved to using “usages “ indirections for signaling protocols.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Trickle ice can use similar approach and refer to trickle-sip as usage
>>>> for trickle.
>>> 
>>> It already does. That's why we pulled all the SDP/SIP stuff out of
>>> draft-ietf-ice-trickle.
>> 
>>    I assume Suhas meant separating the SDP stuff from the SIP stuff. (I
>>    also assume he will correct me if I am wrong.)
>> 
>> 
>> That's right Ben .. I was just thinking minimal localized changes (thus
>> small time to get new draft done) and then asking trickle, trickle-sip to
>> refer to the new one. (work done to refer is much smaller for these
>> drafts that are at the very end of approval journey)
>> 
>> I do agree with Adam, no matter what version of the proposal we pick,
>> there is some work that needs to be done and we
>> should do it.
> 
> These documents are on the telechat tomorrow. Are we proposing to delay
> consideration by the IESG while we get this mess sorted out? ;-)

Hi Peter,

I currently plan to leave it on. We may discuss a way forward on the telechat. Also, I’d like to get feedback on the rest of the draft(s) from the other ADs sooner than later.

Thanks!

Ben.

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