Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work
Lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault@gmail.com> Tue, 16 March 2010 20:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work
From: Lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault@gmail.com>
To: Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp>, idna-update@alvestrand.no
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To answer the question about my concerns, I was particularly worried about client implementations of mappings: the WG consensus call indicated that those who had plans to implement mappings, planned to implement TR46 rather than the WG product. The WG had a lot of discussions a year ago about whether to leave mappings as a free-for-all and what I heard at that time was that a lot of people saw the value in consistent mappings across implementations -- so a user going from one browser to another, or from email to a browser, won't be surprised at where they end up. Unfortunately, we didn't arrive at a conclusion that provided that consistency, with one set of mappings proposed by the Unicode Consortium and another set proposed by this WG. I still hope for Unicode and IETF participants both to work on understanding why there are conflicting requirements and gain a realistic view of what is likely to be implemented (and over what transition period). So, work can continue thanks to individual contributions and reviews, or even through the possibility of a future WG. Lisa On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote: > The document will go forward from the two editors as a non-WG submission. > > Although the last poll regarding the "mappings" document seemed to show > that most respondents wanted to proceed with submission to the IESG, the AD > felt that there were mapping issues not addressed to her satisfaction. We > were unable to agree on a version of mapping that would satisfy all concerns > among the AD and editors. Reference to TR46 seemed to be desired by the AD > but as you see from Patrik Faltsrom's detailed review of that draft > document, there is much to discuss and debate. In the end, the only way > forward seemed to be to declare the WG "mappings" document to be "dead" and > to allow a version of it to be submitted for publication as an independent > submission. > > vint > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp > > wrote: > >> Dear Vint and all, >> >> I'd like to know in detail why the editors, the chair and the AD couldn't >> satisfied with current mappings document. If the reason was not cleared, >> mappings document couldn't be go forward. >> >> Even if mappings document is informational, the publication of the >> document >> as RFC is very important to keep backward compatibility and >> interoperability >> between current systems. >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Yoshiro YONEYA <yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> >> >> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:59:32 -0400 Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote: >> >> > Ladies and Gentlemen of the IDNABIS Working Group, as you see from this >> > notice, the last working group document that was not yet forwarded by >> the AD >> > has been declared "dead" after it proved impossible to find a version >> that >> > could be forwarded to the IESG that satisfied the preferences of the >> > editors, the chair of IDNABIS and the Area Director. It is expected that >> the >> > editors of the "mapping" document will offer a version of it as an >> > informational, non-WG contribution. >> > >> > All other documents from the working group have been forwarded to the >> RFC >> > editor for final processing. >> > >> > I believe this concludes the business of the IDNABIS Working Group and, >> as >> > chair, I declare that the Working Group has completed its work and can >> now >> > be retired from the active list. >> > >> > I thank the editors, the Area Director, and especially the participants >> in >> > the IDNABIS working group for their time and thoughtful contributions to >> the >> > work over the past two years. >> > >> > Vint Cerf >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org> >> > Date: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:53 PM >> > Subject: ID Tracker State Update Notice: draft-ietf-idnabis-mappings >> > To: idnabis-chairs@tools.ietf.org, >> > draft-ietf-idnabis-mappings@tools.ietf.org >> > >> > >> > 'State Changes to Dead from AD is watching by Lisa Dusseault' >> > ID Tracker URL: >> > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=18600&rfc_flag=0 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Idna-update mailing list >> Idna-update@alvestrand.no >> http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Idna-update mailing list > Idna-update@alvestrand.no > http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update > >
- Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work Yoshiro YONEYA
- Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work James Seng
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- Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work YAO Jiankang
- Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work Vint Cerf
- Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work Patrik Fältström
- Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work Paul Hoffman
- Re: IDNABIS Working Group completes its work Lisa Dusseault
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