Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: comments on idr-bgp4-20] (fwd)
Gargi Nalawade <gargi@cisco.com> Tue, 02 March 2004 06:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: comments on idr-bgp4-20] (fwd)
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Pekka Savola wrote: > On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Gargi Nalawade wrote: > >>For this case - there is no problem. Some implementations can already >>do this. But again there are operators who want the opposite behavior >>as well. i.e. BGP should not advertise a route if it is not the owner >>even if the BGP nexthop is the same as that of the route in the >>forwarding table. > > > Really? I'm having problems figuring out where this would be desired > behaviour. Im trying to hunt for the usage if this as well. So if anyone knows of a reason, let us know. I have only heard 3rd & 4th hand requirements so far where the source has either moved on or no longer exists. >>Both behaviors are achieved today by various imple- >>mentations even though the default may vary from vendor to vendor. > > > Yep. > > >>Again - time for a clarification. :) Are you asking for that the >>behavior be present or that the spec be changed to describe both >>behaviors? > > > I think the specification should, very clearly, state just one > recommended behaviour, and possibly describe an optional other > behaviour. I think the recommended behaviour should be what I > proposed, and you also described. Because that's actually what > happens very often. > > But if there is strong objection to this very clear statement of > behaviour (or "modification"), also spelling out the alternative is > important. Now that I understand your request for modification & clarification better, I think it makes sense. It would be good to clarify in the spec. If there is no operator here who can think of a reason why they may want to explicitly prohibit BGP from advertising a route it doesnt own, even when the nexthop matches that in the forwarding table, we should make the other behavior (i.e. advertise even if BGP doesnt own the route when the nexthop matches) the recommended one, stating the currently stated but least used behavior as an optional alternative. -Gargi _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pekka Savola
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pedro Roque Marques
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pekka Savola
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pedro Roque Marques
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… vijay gill
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pedro Roque Marques
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pedro Roque Marques
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Gargi Nalawade
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pekka Savola
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… vijay gill
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Gargi Nalawade
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pekka Savola
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Gargi Nalawade
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pedro Roque Marques
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Gargi Nalawade
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… vijay gill
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pedro Roque Marques
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Pedro Roque Marques
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… vijay gill
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… vijay gill
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… vijay gill
- Re: [Idr] issue 11.2: active route, again [Re: co… Yakov Rekhter