Re: RFC1863 to historic? [Re: [Idr] Last Call on draft-ietf-idr-rfc2796bis-00.txt (fwd)]

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On 2004-05-04, at 20.04, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

> At 7:48 AM -0400 5/4/04, Tulip Rasputin wrote:
>> Jeff,
>>
>> [..]
>>>  All of this said, there are other small exchanges that are said to
>>>  be deploying route servers, but it sounds like these are small 
>>> regionals.
>>
>> I would not agree to this! There is this european internet exchange 
>> association (euro-ix) where
>> europe's leading ISPs connect to permit the exchange of network 
>> information. I am aware of most of
>> them using route servers (though not the ones like defined in 1863).
>
> Does Euro-IX have any documentation on the route servers it does use?

Euro-IX is an association of exchange points. Euro-IX does not operate 
either route servers or exchage points.

>
> It sounds to me as if 1863 itself may need to be made Historic, but 
> there may be a need for several new, more focused documents:
>
>     1. Use of route servers for information collection.  This might 
> actually
>        be a subset of 1863, but perhaps with updates or 
> crossreferences to
>        such things as the new data collection communities.

Agreed.

>
>     2. BCP for production use such as Euro-IX.

Sitting in the EIX meeting at the current RIPE meeting, I will bring 
this up. A lot of the Euro-IX memebers that use route-servers are 
there. I will drop the idea in here to see if there is any interest.

> As an aside, this does get into the increasingly blurred area about 
> how much the IETF RFC process is appropriate for principally 
> operational documents. There have been a number of 
> suggestions/volunteers that NANOG might provide a document function, 
> but it seems reasonably clear that the Merit people don't have room on 
> their plate for this.  Whether Euro-IX, RIPE, or RIPE-NCC are possible 
> sponsors for operational documents, or if there needs to be a specific 
> group spun off for this, is another question. Obviously, IDR alone 
> can't answer that question, but I mention it here because many 
> relevant people see this discussion.

The EIX WG at RIPE is in the process of updating the "switch wishlist" 
and Euro-IX is working on a BCP. Perhaps those are better forums for 
BCPs on route servers.

- - kurtis -

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