Re: [Idr] IDR agenda item
"FRAGASSI Roberto" <Roberto.Fragassi@alcatel-lucent.com> Mon, 22 March 2010 18:35 UTC
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Robert, To be clear, the message from the authors is not to present the pros or cons of add-paths - those comments should be saved for draft Advertisement of Multiple Paths in BGP. I feel that our abstract is clear to state that when turning on Add Paths there are things that must be considered: This document describes implementation and operational best practices for ADD-PATH in order to facilitate the introduction of ADD-PATH to existing networks and to ensure interoperability It's not the focus of the draft to recommend how to solve a set of problems. Perhaps we should be more definitive in our statements in saying so. Bert -----Original Message----- From: idr-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:38 PM To: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] IDR agenda item Hi, > IDR Meeting: > Date: 3/22 time: 15:20-1720: > > 15:30-16:00 > draft-uttaro-idr-add-paths-guidelines-00 Roberto Fragassi As I will not be able to attend IDR meeting tomorrow as it overlaps with PPSP WG meeting I would like to provide a comment on this draft to the list. The draft makes a number of statements which imply that distribution of multiple bgp paths edge to edge using add-paths extension is the only tool to address fast connectivity restoration, load balancing or to eliminate route oscillation. What I think is important is that a fresh reader not mistakenly think that this is the only solution and that increase of network wide BGP state is the only option possible to address above applications. The alternative design approach which does address all of the above applications is possible without use of add-paths, by just proper construction of the SP's network hierarchy. While such hierarchy of pop and core based design may not be applicable to all providers it is clearly applicable to vast majority of them therefor providing a reference or at least mentioning awareness to it in such document seems beneficial. References: http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog48/presentations/Tuesday/Raszuk_To_Ad dPaths_N48.pdf http://www.apricot2010.net/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18905/Routing_01_ Conf-Hall-2_0900-1030_Routing_Robert-Raszuk.pdf Also for those networks which may end up requiring distribution of more then best path and for a number of reasons may not be able to upgrade both RRs and their all PEs/ASBRs there is alternative proposal which this draft does not reference. URL: tools.ietf.org/id/draft-raszuk-diverse-bgp-path-dist-01.txt Therefor if the goal of this drat is to document how practically one would be to address reduction of routing churn, faster connectivity restoration, better load sharing and a mechanism for graceful maintenance i think that for the future reader providing the above alternative may be truly beneficial. Many thx, R. _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
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