[Idr] Mohamed Boucadair's Yes on draft-ietf-idr-nhc-05: (with COMMENT)
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Mohamed Boucadair has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-idr-nhc-05: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/handling-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-nhc/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Bruno, Kireeti, Serge, Satya, John, Kevin, and Bin, Thank you for the effort put in this specification. It was an interesting read to go through all the one decade I-Ds branches that lead to this effort. The document is well-written and well-articulated, although there is a mix of protocol specifications and operational considerations (incremental deployment, configuration knobs, when special care is needed from those who deploy, log abnormal behavior, etc.) but that’s fine as far as these are there. Please find some comments, fwiw: # Initial values I suggest we clarify the following: ## Add a mention that entries can be modified (deleted or content altered). This is to have a provision for some of these I-Ds to change the description if they want so or update the reference if any of these I-Ds make it to an RFC. ## The table does not track the document/event that led to a registration. For example, there is no visible information in the registry that indicates 1-2-4-5 are registered by this doc. Maybe add a note column to disclose that? ### Do we envisage in future having attributes that can be deprecated? If so, should that indication be supported by the registry (that is, add a status column)? # Mismatch CURRENT: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Address Family Identifier | SAFI | Next Hop Len | +-------------------------------+---------------+---------------+ | | ~ Network Address of Next Hop (variable) ~ | | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | | ~ Characteristic TLVs (variable) ~ | | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Figure 1: NHC Format The meanings of the header fields (Address Family Identifier, SAFI or Subsequent Address Family Identifier, Length of Next Hop, and Network Address of Next Hop) are as given in Section 3 of [RFC4760]. ## Mismatch between the figure and description for “Next Hop Len”. ## Please note that RFC4760 uses “Length of Next Hop Network Address”, not “Length of Next Hop” or “Next Hop Len”. # Applicable only for NHC-aware routers CURRENT: When a BGP speaker receives a BGP route that includes the NHC, it MUST compare the address given in the header portion of the NHC and illustrated in Figure 1 to the next hop of the BGP route. This seems to be assumed, but it is better to make it explicit this (and all Section 2.3) is discussing the behavior of NHC-aware routers. # NHC Information CURRENT: Since the NHC is intended chiefly for conveying information about forwarding plane features, it needs to be regenerated whenever the BGP route's next hop is changed. ## There is nothing in the document that actually constrains the nature of information that can be conveyed in an NHC. The allocation FCFS policy won’t help rationalize that space. ## Having a more constrained range would be my favorite here (minimum Expert Review range). # “potentially useful” CURRENT: The NHC signals potentially useful information related to the forwarding plane features, so it is desirable to make it transitive to ensure ## I’m sure there is a reasoning behind that subtle mention, but this raises the questions as why one would announce something that isn’t useful? ## Shouldn’t we simply say: NEW: The NHC signals information related to the forwarding plane features, so it is desirable to make it transitive to ensure # Characteristic Code CURRENT: Characteristic Code: a two-octet unsigned integer that indicates the type of characteristic advertised and unambiguously identifies an individual characteristic. ## Shouldn’t the description include a mention about “forwarding” as that is the intended use? ## I suggest to add a pointer to the registry NEW: Values are taken from the registry (Section 4). ## As I’m there, the document is silent about sending reserved values Consider adding text such as the following here or in Section 2.2: NEW: By default, characteristics with Code set to a reserved value (Section 4) MUST NOT be used when sending an NHC. “by default” is on purpose as this allows to relax the rule for experimentation or testing. Alternatively, we may only cover 0 and 65535 cases: NEW: Characteristics with Code set to 0 and 65535 MUST NOT be used when sending an NHC. # Characteristic Value CURRENT: Characteristic Length: a two-octet unsigned integer that indicates the length, in octets, of the Characteristic Value field. A length of 0 indicates that the Characteristic Value field is zero-length, i.e., it has a null value. Characteristic Value: a variable-length field. It is interpreted according to the value of the Characteristic Code. Should Characteristic Value description say that it includes a non-null value to avoid having two ways to encode null values? # Redundant behavior 2.2.1 To mitigate this problem, if a BGP speaker constructs a route whose next hop has no global part, it MUST include a BGPID TLV (Section 3). Vs. 3.2 when a route includes only a link-local address and no global address, the BGPID MUST be included. I would keep the normative language in one single place. # Picky ## Peer vs Peers A BGP speaker may have several peers. OLD: RFC 5492 allows a BGP speaker to advertise its capabilities to its peer. When a route is propagated beyond the immediate peer, it is NEW: RFC 5492 allows a BGP speaker to advertise its capabilities to its peers. When a route is propagated beyond an immediate peer, it is or NEW2: RFC 5492 allows a BGP speaker to advertise its capabilities to a peer. When a route is propagated beyond an immediate peer, it is A similar construct is also present in the introduction. ## Multiple ASNs A speaker may have multiple ASNs. OLD: AS Number: The Autonomous System Number [RFC6793] NEW: AS Number: An Autonomous System Number [RFC6793] ## It is the ASN that is carried in the attribute OLD: Autonomous System carried in the BGPID. NEW: Autonomous System Number carried in the BGPID. Cheers, Med
- [Idr] Mohamed Boucadair's Yes on draft-ietf-idr-n… Mohamed Boucadair via Datatracker
- [Idr] Re: Mohamed Boucadair's Yes on draft-ietf-i… Wen, Bin
- [Idr] Re: Mohamed Boucadair's Yes on draft-ietf-i… Scudder, John
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- [Idr] Re: Mohamed Boucadair's Yes on draft-ietf-i… Amanda Baber
- [Idr] Re: Mohamed Boucadair's Yes on draft-ietf-i… Scudder, John
- [Idr] Re: [Ext] Re: Mohamed Boucadair's Yes on dr… Amanda Baber