Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/2022 to 7/27/2022) - Operational Differences
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From: Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>
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Thread-Topic: Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/2022 to 7/27/2022) - Operational Differences
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/2022 to 7/27/2022) - Operational Differences
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IDR WG, A number of adoption posts for CAR/CT have expressed concern over BGP-CT's "mapping community" as not being compatible to SR-PCE architecture. I would like to clarify that BGP-CT is very much compatible to SR-PCE architecture. "mapping community" is an abstraction that carries the desired intent. In terms of protocol extensions it could be regular BGP community or Extended color community. This has been specified in Section 2 Terminology section in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes/ Here is example topology and related description from CT authors Gold = 100 Bronze = 200 |-------RSVP-TE-----| +--------[ASBR2 (AS2) PE2]--+ Gold = 100 Bronze = 200 | | CE1-----[PE1 (AS1) ASBR1] CE2 (1.1.1.1) |--COL-SR-TUNNEL---| | | <--SvcPfx1 (color:0:100) +--------[ASBR3 (AS3) PE3]--+ <--SvcPfx2 (color:0:200) |-----FLEX-ALGO-----| <--SvcPfx3 (color:0:100200) Gold = 100 Bronze = 200 For BGP-CT routes, transport-target:0:<color> will be the mapping community as well The resolution scheme for BGP-CT routes will be auto-created as the following in all relevant BNs and SNs BGP-CT resolution-schemes: -------------------------- Resolution Scheme Gold (Auto Created) Mapping-community: transport-target:0:100 Transport Route DB: TC[100] Resolution Scheme Bronze (Auto Created) Mapping-community: transport-target:0:200 Transport Route DB: TC[200] Service Route resolution-schemes in PE1 --------------------------------------- Resolution Scheme Gold_fallback_BE Mapping-community: color:0:100 Transport Route DB: TC[100, BE] Resolution Scheme Bronze_fallback_BE Mapping-community: color:0:200 Transport Route DB: TC[200, BE] Resolution Scheme Gold_fallback_Bronze Mapping-community: color:0:100200 Transport Route DB: TC[100, 200] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For deployments that want to make use of extended color community, "mapping community" is nothing but extended color community. While "mapping community" adopts itself well to the SR-PCE architecture it also works well for deployments that used intent-aware paths and used technologies that existed prior to SR-PCE. "mapping community" is also flexible enough to satisfy evolving usecases. Example scenarios described below. 1. A number of RSVP deployments use regular BGP communities carried in service prefixes to represent the intent-route that the service prefix should resolve on. These deployments would like to extend the intent-awareness multi-domain without having to go through the pain of re-mapping all their service prefixes to start using extended color community. "mapping community" caters well to this usecase 2. The intent-awarenesss usecases and requirements have evolved from SR-PCE days Section 6 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hr-spring-intentaware-routing-using-color/ describes a number of fallback requirements where "Fallback schemes should be decoupled from primary. For example, different service routes using same primary but different fallback schemes" In this usecase intent is more than just color. BGP-CT solves this by carrying "mapping community" in service prefix that represents the intent which specified primary color and fallback color. BGP-CT's approach for carrying intent is consistent. It's always in the "mapping community" no matter what Kind of intent is being carried. Question to CAR authors. How are the uses cases 1 and 2 solved in BGP-CAR? Rgds Shraddha Juniper Business Use Only
- [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/2022 t… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Reshma Das
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Ketan Talaulikar
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Ketan Talaulikar
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Rajesh M
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Swadesh Agrawal (swaagraw)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Swadesh Agrawal (swaagraw)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Ketan Talaulikar
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Ketan Talaulikar
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Ketan Talaulikar
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Swadesh Agrawal (swaagraw)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Srihari Sangli
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Natrajan Venkataraman
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Xiejingrong (Jingrong)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Shraddha Hegde
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Srihari Sangli
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Swadesh Agrawal (swaagraw)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Kaliraj Vairavakkalai
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Rajesh M
- Re: [Idr] Part 3 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/14/20… Jingrong Xie