Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks
"Charles Lindsey" <chl@clerew.man.ac.uk> Fri, 28 January 2005 17:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks
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In <200501271357.34152.blilly@erols.com> Bruce Lilly <blilly@erols.com> writes: >As a result of our discussion starting July 15, 2004, I >have prepared an Internet Draft; draft-lilly-from-optional-00.txt >should be available from the usual places [*]. Public comments >may be posted to the ietf-822 list; private comments to the >author are also welcome. >* E.g. ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/internet-drafts/draft-lilly-from-optional-00.txt I have several problems with this. 1. Is it really necessary to modify RFC 822 and well as RFC 2822? 2. This memo (if approved) updates the Internet Message Format specification [N1.STD11], [N2.RFC2822] as used by various applications (electronic mail [I3.STD10], [I1.RFC2821], Usenet news [I4.RFC1036], Internet fax [I5.RFC2305], VPIM [I6.RFC3801], EDI [I7.RFC1767], [I8.RFC1865], etc.). It applies across the board to applications using the Internet Message Format. However it does not discuss similarly named fields in unrelated formats and protocols such as [I9.HTTP] or [I10.SIP]. I think it is most unwise to attempt to impose this change on protocols/applications other them electronic mail without first consulting the working groups of other bodies responsible for those protocols. In the case of Netnews, in particular, I would regard this proposal as totally unacceptable, since it is clearly desirable and widely expected that it will be possible to identify the (claimed) poster of any Usenet article, even if only by the pseudonym that poster chooses to be known by. If you think otherwise, then I invite you to raise this matter on the USEFOR list. I would sugges that, for Usenet, at least the display name should be provided when no email address is available. That would leave the following possibilities: Allow the <mailbox> to be omitted when <display-name> is present. Allow some form of dummy <mailbox>, such as '<>'. Encourage the use of clearly unresolvable domains, such as those ending in '.invalid'. Since the first two possibilities might provide some compatibility problems for existing user agents (though I rather doubt this), perhaps the use of .invalid could be suggested as an interim measure. It is, in any case, not clear that some existing user agents will not barf at the proposed total absence of the From header. 3. I would have thought that the absence of a From header would have been unacceptable to most users in Email as well as in Netnews, but that is a matter which is well within the purview of this List to discuss. 4. Some documents have suggested use of the reserved ".invalid" TLD (top-level domain name) [I18.BCP32] to provide some degree of anonymity. With relaxation of the requirement for a From field in the Internet Message Format, such hacks and their negative impact on the root name service are unnecessary, at least within the scope of Internet Messages. That reference to "hacks" and "negative impact" is hardly fair. I have been assured by people who understand the DNS system better than I do that it is a common and recommended practice for DNS failures to be cached, and that the inpact of using the TLD .invalid on the root servers should therefore be minimal. Moreover, '.invalid' can, and should be, built into agents so that they do not waste time even trying. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Fax: +44 161 436 6133 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- RE: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Nathaniel Borenstein
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
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- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Keith Moore
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Hector Santos
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Frank Ellermann
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Charles Lindsey
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Hector Santos
- Re: Mandatory From field, anonymity, and hacks Bruce Lilly
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