Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt
Jacob Palme <jpalme@dsv.su.se> Sun, 03 February 2002 15:22 UTC
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From: Jacob Palme <jpalme@dsv.su.se>
Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt
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At 22.23 -0800 02-02-02, Dave Crocker wrote: >I'm not thrilled with the vocabulary choice of >"provisional" for the description of something registered >under #2, since it implies a tentativeness in the >allocation and an eventual evaluation by the assignment >authority. But quibbling about specific vocabulary is, >well, quibbling. I agree! I suggest "non-standard" instead. But we have to define a way for amending non-standard header name descriptions. I think that some kind of IETF consideration is wanted also for them. The result of the IETF consideration may be: - Use of this name is discouraged - The creator can have change control (might be automatic for names beginning with "vnd-" followed by vendor acronym?) - Some kind of IETF consensus is needed, even if the name is not a standard >Registering header names that have different associated >specifications, depending upon which protocol service is >being used, is highly counterproductive. (I'd say >"silly", but the role of inflammatory contributor to this >thread is well and truly taken, already.) But when this is (unfortunately) already the case, such as with "Newsgroups" in e-mail versus news, and "Date" in e-mail versus HTTP, the registry should reflect this reality, even if we do not like it. The registry can then either warn against some or all use of this header name, or just describe the different usage in different standards. --- A related issue: When a registry is started, it should at the start have a content something like what I have in RFC 2076 (latest version: draft-palme-mailext-headers-06.txt). I would suggest that we ask a few experts (Ned? Pete? Keith?) to read throught it and check that the description of each header is agreeable and can be moved to the registry. Headers where these experts disagree could be discussed in the ietf-822@imc.org mailing list. To avoid the risk of 1000-message flame wars, we could say that if the discussion in ietf-822 does not seem to lead to consensus, the registry could just present the different opinions (example: "Reply-To"), possibly, if we can agree on that, with a warning. -- Jacob Palme <jpalme@dsv.su.se> (Stockholm University and KTH) for more info see URL: http://www.dsv.su.se/jpalme/
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- RE: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jeff Stephenson
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Dave Crocker
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Lawrence Greenfield
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Lawrence Greenfield
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Graham Klyne
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Graham Klyne
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Graham Klyne
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Paul Smith
- Re: The Sender header field D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry John W Noerenberg II
- Re: The Sender header field Dave Crocker
- The Sender header field Pete Resnick
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Russ Allbery
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Simon Josefsson
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Barry Leiba
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Dave Crocker
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Paul Smith
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Dave Crocker
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Dave Crocker
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Russ Allbery
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Dave Crocker
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- RE: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jeff Stephenson
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Time to act: draft-klyne-msghdr-registry Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- RE: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jeff Stephenson
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… John R. LoVerso
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dan Grillo
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Cyrus Daboo
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Newsgroups Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Newsgroups Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Jacob Palme
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Charles Lindsey
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt ned.freed
- LMTP extension (was: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghd… ned+ietf-822
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Dave Crocker
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Dave Crocker
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Graham Klyne
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Paul Smith
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Dave Crocker
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Dave Crocker
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Sam Roberts
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Pete Resnick
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Paul Smith
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Lawrence Greenfield
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Russ Allbery
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Jacob Palme
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Russ Allbery
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Russ Allbery
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Jacob Palme
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Dave Crocker
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Jacob Palme
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Lawrence Greenfield
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Russ Allbery
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Graham Klyne
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Russ Allbery
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Russ Allbery
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Charles Lindsey
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Keith Moore
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Pete Resnick
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Keith Moore
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt D. J. Bernstein
- Re: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-02.txt Barry Leiba
- Re: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-klyne-msghdr-registry-0… Philip Hazel
- Re: I-D Recommendations for Automatic Responses t… Keith Moore
- Re: I-D Recommendations for Automatic Responses t… Lawrence Greenfield
- Re: I-D Recommendations for Automatic Responses t… Eric A. Hall
- Re: I-D Recommendations for Automatic Responses t… Lawrence Greenfield
- Re: I-D Recommendations for Automatic Responses t… Eric A. Hall
- Re: I-D Recommendations for Automatic Responses t… Lyndon Nerenberg
- Re: I-D Recommendations for Automatic Responses t… Keith Moore
- Re: I-D Recommendations for Automatic Responses t… Lyndon Nerenberg