Re: [Ietf-languages] Forms for subtag kmpre20c

Élie Roux <elie.roux@telecom-bretagne.eu> Sun, 01 December 2019 14:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] Forms for subtag kmpre20c
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> We have en (English, unspecified (apart from being modern English, not Old or Middle English), and we have en_US and en_GB for main variants, typically involving and we have en_GB-oxendict for a specific spelling variant.
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> It seems to me that you need a subtag for modern spelling; assuming that Chuon Nath is the name of the prevalent reform, for instance, you could have km-chuonnat or km-chn1938 or the like.
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> In fact if there were a need you could have subtags referrng to various editions of the reformed orthographies.
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> But really, we use subtags for what things ARE, not for what the are not.

Ok yes, makes sense. I will do that once I manage to gather more
documents and info, which should happen in Spring.

So, to continue the analogy with English: the -oxendict subtype refers
to the general style right? What I mean is: in the same way that the
Oxford Dictionary
- has different editions with (I suppose marginally) different spelling
- does not encompass all possible words of all possible strings tagged
with -oxendict

I could propose a -dictcamb (for Dictionnaire Cambodgien), which could refer to:
- the general work, not a specific edition
- a general style of spelling, defined by a dictionary that doesn't
encompass all possible words (especially loan ones, even though it
refers to Pali a lot)

right?

I think the main difference is that there will likely not be any new
edition of the Dictionnaire Cambodgien (we could assume that if
someone was to take over the project of a new edition, they would not
keep the French name), and that people usually refer to the 1967
(last) edition. In that case, what would be the customary type of
langtag? "-dica1967" or "-dictcamb"?

Best,
-- 
Elie