Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Language Tag MIB)toProposed Standard
Randy Presuhn <randy_presuhn@mindspring.com> Wed, 14 February 2007 03:12 UTC
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Hi - The first message in this thread explicitly requested "Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2007-03-08." Please abide by that request, rather than adding to the noise on ietf-languages@iana.org However, gaining a cursory familiarity with RFC 2579's material describing how TEXTUAL-CONVENTIONS work would be advisable. Randy -----Original Message----- >From: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com> >Sent: Feb 13, 2007 2:53 AM >To: ietf-languages@iana.org >Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Language Tag MIB)toProposed Standard > > >Hi, Frank, all; my comments are below! >(just sent to the other list, alvestrand, this is a resend, sorry!) >> >>CE Whitehead wrote: >> >> > My onle question related to section 3, paragraph 3; it may be a dumb >> > question, but, what does "This" refer to in line 2? Thanks. >> > --cew >> > In theory, BCP 47 language tags are of unlimited length. >> > This language tag is of limited length. >> >>This "textual convention" for language tags as specified in the draft. >>I think, the "last call" got me to read RFC 2579. But I've no idea >>how the announcemement ended up to be sent also to "this" list... :-) >>Frank > >You mean "this textual convention" in the second paragraph below (exerpted >from the beginning of the document?) : > >"This document is part of work in progress to obsolete RFC 2932 > [RFC2932]. RFC 2932 defined a LanguageTag textual convention, but > did so at an inappropriately scope; namely in a MIB module specific > to IPv4 multicast routing. > > " This draft aims to correct the structure of the MIB by placing this > textual convention in a dedicated module that can be included without > other dependencies." > >Then I am still concerned at the language/syle in the McWalter document >because: > >1. "this textual convention" does not seem to be quite the same thing as >"this language tag" >2. Even if I'm wrong and these two phrases are quite the same, it's been a >while since "this textual convention was referred to"-- and thus it's >unclear here that it's now referring to the textual convention specified in >this draft and not to something else. > >(when I taught I would not let my students refer to anything outside of the >text unless it was very obvious; >nor would I let them refer to something more than one paragraph back without >specifying it exactly again > >I thus wonder how you all figured out what "this language tag" was referring >to. > >But like I said the material in this particular draft is not my area of >expertise; > >anyway my comment is about style not about content! I defer to you all on >the content) > >* * * >I think the announcement was sent to this list too because it deals with the >internet protocols for handling the language tags??? Things that use the >protocols include implementations that use language tags?? (?? such as >browsers which select content according to user preferences and which also >display conent; also ?? search engines?? ) > >So we are concerned because we approve the subtags that make up the >well-formed language tags?? > >But I'm unsure because this is all pretty new to me. Anyone else can maybe >explain better why this was sent to us all here. > > >--C. E. Whitehead >cewcathar@hotmail.com > >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your >Live.com page. >http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 > >_______________________________________________ >Ietf-languages mailing list >Ietf-languages@alvestrand.no >http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages
- Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Language T… The IESG
- Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Langua… Doug Ewell
- Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Langua… John Cowan
- Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Langua… CE Whitehead
- Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Langua… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Langua… CE Whitehead
- Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Langua… CE Whitehead
- Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Langua… Randy Presuhn
- RE: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Langua… Randy Presuhn