Re: [ietf-nomcom] past nomcom chair starting next process

["Spencer Dawkins" <[e-mail]>]

Yeah, I think this is the tipping point. The first version of this draft 
relied on the past NomCom chair to get started, and the comments were "gee, 
we have a secretariat, why not use it?" and "and there's other stuff that 
could happen before the new chair shows up".

I pointed everything to the secretariat (first comment) and added other 
stuff (second comment). There's still work to do.

I'm wondering about putting the past NomCom chair in charge of deciding 
whether something requires judgement, but wonder what other people would 
think about that before I try to write draft text...

I am hoping NOT to have a list of what the secretariat can do, that we have 
to update every time we identify a new task that doesn't require judgement.

Thanks,

Spencer

> It would also be reasonable for the outgoing Nomcom chair to provide the 
> the Secretariat with the RNG seeds and take any judgmental actions until 
> the appointment of the incoming chair. In other words transfer all the 
> initial duties of the nomcom chair to a combination of the outgoing Chair 
> and the Secretariat with all mechanical duties being conducted by the 
> Secretariat.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> Russ Housley wrote:
>> In plenary I heard some of these same concerns.  I got the impression 
>> that people were supportive of the Secretariat taking actions that 
>> involve no judgment.
>>
>> It seems to me that the call for people willing to serve on NomCom is a 
>> very reasonable thing for the Secretariat to do.  Under the current 
>> system, the volunteers contact the NomCom Chair who passes the name to 
>> the Secretariat to determine if they are qualified, and then the names 
>> are passed back to the NomCom Chair.  It seems much simpler for the 
>> Secretariat to make the call and at the end of the 30 days provide a list 
>> of the qualified volunteers to the NomCom Chair.
>>
>> This approach provides several additional weeks to locate a NomCom chair. 
>> Hopefully these weeks are not needed, but we have seen at least one case 
>> where the time is needed.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> At 10:00 AM 4/5/2009, James M Galvin wrote:
>>> I'm supportive of changing the "rules" to allow some of the more 
>>> administrative tasks to be taken over by the Secretariat, in principle. 
>>> However, I have two concerns with this proposed change.
>>>
>>> First, I think we need to state explicitly how far the process can go 
>>> without a NOMCOM chair.  This could be as simple as simply stating 
>>> explicitly that the Secretariat can only do what is stated and that the 
>>> process does not really start until the Chair is named and in place. 
>>> More elaborate options are possible but I'm more in favor of keeping it 
>>> simple and stating less.
>>>
>>> Second, I can not think of any reason not to include the IAOC in this 
>>> change.  Since one of the changes to this document was to include the 
>>> IAOC along with the IAB and IESG, why exclude them from this step?  If 
>>> we're really going to do that then we need to state why.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- On March 3, 2009 4:19:33 PM -0600 Spencer Dawkins 
>>> <[e-mail]> wrote regarding Re: [ietf-nomcom] past 
>>> nomcom chair starting next process --
>>>
>>>> Just to let people know - Russ thought this was a good suggested
>>>> change, so I've submitted an 01 version of the draft (at
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dawkins-nomcom-dont-wait-01
>>>> .txt) that now assigns the responsibility to the IETF Secretariat.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your feedback,
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>> > seems to me that a simpler solution is for the IETF Secretariat
>>>> > to post that information (what seats are to be decided) whenever
>>>> > it would be a good idea to do so - this is known information
>>>> >
>>>> > one special case is where the IESG decides to add or subtract
>>>> > a area - biut the Secretariat can find that out from the IESG
>>>> > just as well as the nomcom chair can
>>>> >
>>>> > Scott
>>>>
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