Re: bogus SPF deployment survey

ned+ietf-smtp@mrochek.com Mon, 30 April 2012 06:17 UTC

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:10:07 -0700
Subject: Re: bogus SPF deployment survey
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> On Fri 27/Apr/2012 20:18:08 +0200 John Levine wrote:
> >
> > Please save your time and everyone else's by *not* responding to his
> > message

> You did :-)

> How much time are we talking about here?  Thinking on an evolutionary
> scale, it doesn't seem to be comparable to the time the experiment took.

FWIW, I looked at the survey before I saw John's note and decided on my own not
to take it. AFAICT it's intended to assess what SPF policy, if any, has been
implemented by the responder on their own host(s).

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would care what SPF policy I
use at home (which is the only system I personally control and can speak about
with any authority), especially since for an email implementor that policy is
more likely to be the result of the need to test things rather than any actual
personal need.

If you want to ask questions of an audience of implementors, I suggest that you
ask them what kind of support for SPF do they provide in their products and
perhaps what they know (or don't know) about actual customer usage of those
features.

				Ned